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Re: new Kickstarter: WHEN KNIGHTHOOD WAS IN FLOWER

PostThu Mar 24, 2016 6:32 am

BenModel wrote:Thanks, Ed! You got the ball rolling on this with your MD KS's.

Currently $2500 over the funding goal.

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Wow! Very impressive! Some great project supporters out there.....
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Re: new Kickstarter: WHEN KNIGHTHOOD WAS IN FLOWER

PostThu Mar 24, 2016 9:57 am

I'm in at the $75 level too. Nearly double-funded!
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Re: new Kickstarter: WHEN KNIGHTHOOD WAS IN FLOWER

PostThu Mar 24, 2016 3:49 pm

Ben, your earlier campaigns topped out at about 125 contributors. This one is in its second day and has more than 180 and is double funded already. Is it Marion Davies alone, do you think, or has some critical mass been reached?

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PostThu Mar 24, 2016 3:56 pm

boblipton wrote:Ben, your earlier campaigns topped out at about 125 contributors. This one is in its second day and has more than 180 and is double funded already. Is it Marion Davies alone, do you think, or has some critical mass been reached?

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It's Marion Davies
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Re: new Kickstarter: WHEN KNIGHTHOOD WAS IN FLOWER

PostThu Mar 24, 2016 4:50 pm

Wow, thousands over. Great job. Oh for sure, I'm in.

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Re: new Kickstarter: WHEN KNIGHTHOOD WAS IN FLOWER

PostFri Mar 25, 2016 10:24 am

Is it also possible that more people are contributing because of the inclusion of the Blu-ray? I have a hard time spending money on DVDs nowadays, particularly for a movie I have never seen. It is also frustrating to know that some of these releases are coming from 2K scans, but only available in a downgraded form on DVD. Sure, there might not much of a difference between the Blu-ray and DVD versions on smaller screens, but a lot of people have large viewing displays now. Thanks to Ben and Greenbriar Picture Shows for including the Blu-ray!
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Re: new Kickstarter: WHEN KNIGHTHOOD WAS IN FLOWER

PostFri Mar 25, 2016 2:39 pm

Great stuff, I'm in!
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PostSat Mar 26, 2016 12:49 pm

Oh yeah, I'm in.

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Re: new Kickstarter: WHEN KNIGHTHOOD WAS IN FLOWER

PostSat Mar 26, 2016 1:23 pm

Ben, can you give more info on tints? Was original film tinted?
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Re: new Kickstarter: WHEN KNIGHTHOOD WAS IN FLOWER

PostSat Mar 26, 2016 1:26 pm

One of four films Marion Davies starred in with Forrest Stanley as her leading man.
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Re: new Kickstarter: WHEN KNIGHTHOOD WAS IN FLOWER

PostSat Mar 26, 2016 9:28 pm

:o Mentioned this already on Facebook the other day. With all the extra funds and so much time remaining, any chance of a double bill with LITTLE OLD NEW YORK, or if there are copyright issues, maybe BEAUTY'S WORTH?
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Re: new Kickstarter: WHEN KNIGHTHOOD WAS IN FLOWER

PostTue Mar 29, 2016 8:43 am

In.

Huzzah!

(fwiw, I would also add LITTLE OLD NEW YORK to my wish list. Actually, *any* NY productions circa 1923 - like Barthelmess' THE FIGHTING BLADE)
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Re: new Kickstarter: WHEN KNIGHTHOOD WAS IN FLOWER

PostTue Mar 29, 2016 8:47 am

Harlett O'Dowd wrote:In.

Huzzah!

(fwiw, I would also add LITTLE OLD NEW YORK to my wish list. Actually, *any* NY productions circa 1923 - like Barthelmess' THE FIGHTING BLADE)


There's a good print of that Davies film around. Saw it a few years ago.

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Re: new Kickstarter: WHEN KNIGHTHOOD WAS IN FLOWER

PostTue Mar 29, 2016 11:56 am

this is my favourite Marion Davies film. Can't wait to see it on blu-ray. Thanks for doing this Ben, I've signed up
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PostTue Mar 29, 2016 2:01 pm

Count me in!! Thank you, as always, for doing these releases!
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PostTue Mar 29, 2016 6:46 pm

Folks, not sure if I can add another film to the project, because of the time commitment required and the window of time that I have available to produce this release. But I will do some research on LITTLE OLD which, after all, has Harry "Musty" Watson Jr. in the cast doing his famous boxing routine.

Thanks for pledging!

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PostTue Mar 29, 2016 7:13 pm

BenModel wrote:Folks, not sure if I can add another film to the project, because of the time commitment required and the window of time that I have available to produce this release. But I will do some research on LITTLE OLD which, after all, has Harry "Musty" Watson Jr. in the cast doing his famous boxing routine.

Thanks for pledging!

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I don't think LONY is public domain.....
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Re: new Kickstarter: WHEN KNIGHTHOOD WAS IN FLOWER

PostTue Mar 29, 2016 9:28 pm

Well, it IS from 1923, but I haven't looked up whether it has any renewals.

Fun fact: Geo. Kleine, in his waning days as a distributor/producer, tried to bring legal action against Cosmopolitan for using the boxing routine as it appears in the Musty Suffer short HOLD FAST (1916), but lost. The act was Watson's, after all, and he'd been doing it in the Follies years before the Musty shorts. I found some correspondence from GK to Cosmo Prods in the Kleine files at LoC, and Steve M. found some other info on this as well.

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PostWed Mar 30, 2016 4:59 am

BenModel wrote:Well, it IS from 1923, but I haven't looked up whether it has any renewals.

Fun fact: Geo. Kleine, in his waning days as a distributor/producer, tried to bring legal action against Cosmopolitan for using the boxing routine as it appears in the Musty Suffer short HOLD FAST (1916), but lost. The act was Watson's, after all, and he'd been doing it in the Follies years before the Musty shorts. I found some correspondence from GK to Cosmo Prods in the Kleine files at LoC, and Steve M. found some other info on this as well.

Ben


I thought PD applied generally to films made BEFORE 1923.....
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Re: new Kickstarter: WHEN KNIGHTHOOD WAS IN FLOWER

PostWed Mar 30, 2016 7:39 am

drednm wrote:I thought PD applied generally to films made BEFORE 1923.....

That's for them to have a blanket status of PD. Individual films are PD if they didn't get renewed after the first 28 year copyright period expired, e.g. PHANTOM, THE GENERAL, STEAMBOAT BILL, and many other "staples" that have been around for years.
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Danny Burk wrote:
drednm wrote:I thought PD applied generally to films made BEFORE 1923.....

That's for them to have a blanket status of PD. Individual films are PD if they didn't get renewed after the first 28 year copyright period expired, e.g. PHANTOM, THE GENERAL, STEAMBOAT BILL, and many other "staples" that have been around for years.


Yes.... A 1923 film MAY be public domain, but it's not in the pre-1923 group.
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PostWed Mar 30, 2016 9:27 am

Is there a way to check which post-1922 silents have fallen through the cracks?
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Harlett O'Dowd wrote:Is there a way to check which post-1922 silents have fallen through the cracks?


No easy way that I know of. Usually a safe bet that almost anything from MGM or Paramount will still be under copyright. Beyond that, it's anyone's guess ... or legal search.
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Harlett O'Dowd wrote:Is there a way to check which post-1922 silents have fallen through the cracks?


No easy way that I know of. Usually a safe bet that almost anything from MGM or Paramount will still be under copyright. Beyond that, it's anyone's guess ... or legal search.


There is a big blue book of U.S. copyright records on films made from the beginnings into the 1960s. It also contains notes on the initial copyright renewals of each film -- if there is no annotation, the film was not renewed after 28 years.
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PostWed Mar 30, 2016 12:55 pm

I'm in, thanks for doing this.
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Thanks for pledging, Frederica!

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PostFri Apr 01, 2016 8:48 am

FYI, the copyright on LITTLE OLD NEW YORK (1923) was renewed, and is therefore not in the public domain. I have just had this checked and confirmed.

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PostFri Apr 01, 2016 8:51 am

BenModel wrote:FYI, the copyright on LITTLE OLD NEW YORK (1923) was renewed, and is therefore not in the public domain. I have just had this checked and confirmed.

Ben



Told ya! :roll:
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PostFri Apr 01, 2016 12:23 pm

:? Err, that's why I mentioned BEAUTY'S WORTH.
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Re: new Kickstarter: WHEN KNIGHTHOOD WAS IN FLOWER

PostFri Apr 01, 2016 12:46 pm

drednm wrote:
BenModel wrote:FYI, the copyright on LITTLE OLD NEW YORK (1923) was renewed, and is therefore not in the public domain. I have just had this checked and confirmed.

Ben



Told ya! :roll:


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