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Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:24 pm
by mwalls

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:24 pm
by Harold Aherne
Manhandled and Stage Struck have been announced for 10 April; details and artwork are at message 249 below:
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/kino-lorber-insider-read-guidelines-post-3.355034/page-13

-HA

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:40 pm
by rudyfan
Harold Aherne wrote:Manhandled and Stage Struck have been announced for 10 April; details and artwork are at message 249 below:
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/kino-lorber-insider-read-guidelines-post-3.355034/page-13

-HA



Ooooooooh! I can't wait! I love both these films!

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:08 pm
by drednm
Harold Aherne wrote:Manhandled and Stage Struck have been announced for 10 April; details and artwork are at message 249 below:
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/kino-lorber-insider-read-guidelines-post-3.355034/page-13

-HA


YAY!

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:15 pm
by mwalls
Manhandled is now available for pre-order.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Manhandled-Blu-ray/177426/?e=1

Matthew

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:43 pm
by Mitch Farish
Stage Struck is also available for pre-order.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079PDLQHL/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I1DNRIO2RHSX6A&colid=ISX2PW5DSGEG&psc=0

And DVDBeaver has a review of The Covered Wagon blu-ray, with screen caps!

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film6/dvd_reviews_67/the_covered_wagon_blu-ray.htm

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:10 am
by missdupont
The Silent Treatment in LA showed THE COVERED WAGON at the Autry Museum a few weeks ago, and it looked really good. The archivist who worked on it gave a little talk beforehand. They didn't do a full restoration but made a preservation copy, which the DVD is struck from.

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:41 am
by Metaldams
Just another reminder for W.C. Fields fans that RUNNING WILD and IT'S THE OLD ARMY GAME are out 3/13. Just found out myself and placed my order. Really looking forward to this, and I've never seen the latter.

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:48 am
by Mitch Farish
I see on Amazon that KINO's release of Manhandled is 63 min. I was under the impression that Eastman House had a complete 75 min. print. Is there a 75 min. print out there somewhere? And will the KINO print be 63 min., or will it be the complete print?

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:50 pm
by moviepas
Blu Ray.com says 75mins

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Manhandle ... ay/177426/" target="_blank

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:48 pm
by nolisome
Manhandled and Stage Struck both arrive a couple of hours ago. Neither seems to have been subject to any digital restoration. Manhandled is scanned from a dupey and scratchy print. Stage struck offers a much better viewing experience from a really nice old Eastman House nitrate print it would appear. The two-strip Technicolor prologue and epilogue allow us to see more of the magic of Gloria Swanson. The color is surprisingly natural looking at times and the edge deterioration is mild.

Worth buying

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:55 pm
by rudyfan
nolisome wrote:Manhandled and Stage Struck both arrive a couple of hours ago. Neither seems to have been subject to any digital restoration. Manhandled is scanned from a dupey and scratchy print. Stage struck offers a much better viewing experience from a really nice old Eastman House nitrate print it would appear. The two-strip Technicolor prologue and epilogue allow us to see more of the magic of Gloria Swanson. The color is surprisingly natural looking at times and the edge deterioration is mild.

Worth buying


Both are in the mailbox at home waiting for me. I'm going to give myself a 3 day weekend coming up. I will be watching. I love both films.

Is the Manhandled better than the Grapevine, I wonder? I hope so!

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:17 pm
by precode
nolisome wrote:Manhandled and Stage Struck both arrive a couple of hours ago. Neither seems to have been subject to any digital restoration. Manhandled is scanned from a dupey and scratchy print. Stage struck offers a much better viewing experience from a really nice old Eastman House nitrate print it would appear. The two-strip Technicolor prologue and epilogue allow us to see more of the magic of Gloria Swanson. The color is surprisingly natural looking at times and the edge deterioration is mild.

Worth buying


That's odd. When I was at Paramount I made a 35 of MANHANDLED off whatever negative was in the lab and it was fine. I wonder why this would look sub-standard. (Amusing anecdote: When the print arrived at the depot, they called and said it was defective--no soundtrack!)

Mike S.

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:41 pm
by Danny Burk
I watched MANHANDLED last night, and was surprised (before viewing) to read the liner notes, which said that no 35mm exists; this version is made from material held by Lobster and by Indiana University. I assume that the latter must have been a Kodascope from David Bradley's collection.

Quality is very uneven throughout, and changes from one print to another are obvious. My guess is that the Lobster contributions are material that's not part of the Kodascope version; does anyone have further info?

Edit: I just checked the LOC database; they list numerous holdings, all with only the Kodascope version. Mike, is there a 35mm print that's in hiding somewhere?

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:11 am
by drednm
So Swanson's Chaplin bit is still missing?

I've seen the Bradley print from Indiana and thought it was in quite good shape....

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:23 pm
by smokey15
Does anyone know if any more Paramount silents are coming out on Blu-ray/DVD in the near future?

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:27 pm
by Danny Burk
smokey15 wrote:Does anyone know if any more Paramount silents are coming out on Blu-ray/DVD in the near future?

I hope so! They were quoted somewhere online that they will keep making more as long as there are buyers.

And @Ed - correct, there is no Chaplin bit in the new MANHANDLED disc.

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:08 pm
by dede
I have Manhandled in my Amazon cart. Is it worth getting or should I wait until there is confirmation that there's no better version out there somewhere?

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:42 pm
by Thad Komorowski
smokey15 wrote:Does anyone know if any more Paramount silents are coming out on Blu-ray/DVD in the near future?


Yes, there are.

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:16 pm
by precode
Danny Burk wrote:I watched MANHANDLED last night, and was surprised (before viewing) to read the liner notes, which said that no 35mm exists; this version is made from material held by Lobster and by Indiana University. I assume that the latter must have been a Kodascope from David Bradley's collection.

Quality is very uneven throughout, and changes from one print to another are obvious. My guess is that the Lobster contributions are material that's not part of the Kodascope version; does anyone have further info?

Edit: I just checked the LOC database; they list numerous holdings, all with only the Kodascope version. Mike, is there a 35mm print that's in hiding somewhere?


I suspect that the 35 I made was junked. When I was fired by Paramount in 1993, they stupidly trashed a lot of the prints I made (including a tinted print of TESS OF THE STORM COUNTRY) just to be spiteful, not considering that those were corporate assets that could have continued to generate income.

This may be another instance of people just assuming the studio had no elements without even bothering to ask. Remember people driving themselves crazy trying to restore OLD DARK HOUSE when the original elements were sitting in the Universal vault all along?

Mike S.

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:22 pm
by Danny Burk
precode wrote:I suspect that the 35 I made was junked. When I was fired by Paramount in 1993, they stupidly trashed a lot of the prints I made (including a tinted print of TESS OF THE STORM COUNTRY) just to be spiteful, not considering that those were corporate assets that could have continued to generate income.

This may be another instance of people just assuming the studio had no elements without even bothering to ask. Remember people driving themselves crazy trying to restore OLD DARK HOUSE when the original elements were sitting in the Universal vault all along?

Mike S.

It's a sad thing that this doesn't surprise me. I hope they still have the neg, or it's likely gone in 35mm.

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:23 pm
by Danny Burk
Thad Komorowski wrote:
smokey15 wrote:Does anyone know if any more Paramount silents are coming out on Blu-ray/DVD in the near future?


Yes, there are.

Any info that you can share?

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:41 pm
by Harold Aherne
dede wrote:I have Manhandled in my Amazon cart. Is it worth getting or should I wait until there is confirmation that there's no better version out there somewhere?


Whether something better is out there is one thing -- whether anyone's going to revisit Manhandled is another.

The startlingly clear restorations and releases of various early films have spoiled us, in some ways, for the fact that other titles don't survive (or aren't readily accessible) in comparable condition, and Manhandled might be one of those cases. I just finished viewing it, and for most silent film habitu├ęs the new Blu-ray will be watchable. At times the picture looks very good indeed (all the captions are legible, and the various handwritten notes in the film are too, generally speaking); at other points things are quite rough. Generally the rough sections aren't very long; the lengthiest section of rough-looking footage is at the party where Ann Pennington and Brooke Johns are making their cameos. Given the choice of including this material or leaving it out, Kino certainly made the correct choice to include it.

If someone chose to invest six figures (or more) to clean up and stabilise every frame, Manhandled might look a notch better, but until then, I'd say to go with it.

Captures from DVD Beaver:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film6/dvd_reviews_67/manhandled_blu-ray.htm

--HA

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:42 pm
by drednm
The new Kino BLU/DVD was sourced from the David Bradley Collection print at Indana University. It's the best print I've seen of Manhandled. I was able to borrow a DVD of this through interlibrary loan several years ago. It seems unlikely a better print is going to surface, but you never know.

As for the film itself, it's definitely worth seeing since it's a real departure for Swanson from her "clothes horse" De Mille/Paramount films.

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:17 pm
by Thad Komorowski
And Stage Struck did have image restoration.

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:43 pm
by Danny Burk
Thad Komorowski wrote:And Stage Struck did have image restoration.

STAGE STRUCK is gorgeous, and a great film - I watched it a couple of nights ago.

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:37 pm
by precode
Danny Burk wrote:
precode wrote:I suspect that the 35 I made was junked. When I was fired by Paramount in 1993, they stupidly trashed a lot of the prints I made (including a tinted print of TESS OF THE STORM COUNTRY) just to be spiteful, not considering that those were corporate assets that could have continued to generate income.

This may be another instance of people just assuming the studio had no elements without even bothering to ask. Remember people driving themselves crazy trying to restore OLD DARK HOUSE when the original elements were sitting in the Universal vault all along?

Mike S.

It's a sad thing that this doesn't surprise me. I hope they still have the neg, or it's likely gone in 35mm.


I don't think they would throw the neg away, but it's not likely they're going to do anything with it, at least in the near future. Look how long it took them to put WINGS on DVD!

Mike S.

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 1:07 pm
by buskeat
Woohoo! New news from KinoLorber's Twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/KLStudioClassic/status/991755280559026176

Coming Soon!
First Time on DVD and Blu-ray!
Brand New HD Master From a 4K Scan of the 35mm Nitrate Tinted Print & 35mm Safety Dupe Negative by Paramount Pictures Archive!

You Never Know Women (1927) Starring Florence Vidor - Directed by William Wellman (Beggars of Life)
Includes a newly recorded audio commentary by William Wellman Jr.

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Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 1:48 pm
by Danny Burk
Now that's exciting - one I'd never have expected.

Re: Kino to release blu-rays/DVDs of some Paramount silents

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 4:37 pm
by Gagman 66
:? Huh? YOU NEVER KNOW WOMEN??? How's that? This one came completely out of nowhere. I was hoping for some of the Pola Negri titles, especially THE SPANISH DANCER, and Lubitsch's FORBIDDEN PARADISE. Oh by the way, KID BOOTS was recently restored in 4K just last year. One might think that would be a sure bet. However, they haven't even put out an ultimate edition of IT yet with both the William Perry and Carl Davis scores. Any word yet on when OLD IRONSIDES will be ready? Does Criterion still have the rights to THE WEDDING MARCH? I mean THE LAST COMMAND apparently is now licensed to Kino? So what about UNDERWORLD and THE DOCKS OF NEW YORK? Rather confusing..... :( On the downside, Universal now under new management, seems to have canceled it's plans to restore 14 of the studios Silents after only a few projects were completed. That's disappointing. :(