Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ray

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Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ray

PostWed Mar 15, 2017 3:53 pm

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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

PostWed Mar 15, 2017 4:05 pm

The cool thing is, it will include Downhill, also starring Ivor Novello. Score is by Neil Brand.


United Kingdom
1927
91 minutes
Black and White
1.33:1

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With his third feature film, The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog, Alfred Hitchcock took a major step toward greatness and made what he would come to consider his true directorial debut. This haunting silent thriller tells the tale of a mysterious young man (matinee idol Ivor Novello) who takes up residence at a London boardinghouse, just as a killer who preys on blonde women, known as the Avenger, descends upon the city. The film is animated by the palpable energy of a young stylist at play, decisively establishing the director’s formal and thematic obsessions. In this edition, The Lodger is accompanied by Downhill, another 1927 silent exploration of Hitchcock’s “wrong man” trope, also headlined by Novello—making for a double feature that reveals the great master of the macabre as he was just coming into his own.
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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

PostWed Mar 15, 2017 4:31 pm

Mike Gebert wrote:The cool thing is, it will include Downhill, also starring Ivor Novello. Score is by Neil Brand.


Excellent news! I've been wanting a decent copy of this movie for ages.

I'd love for the silent version of Blackmail to be next. I've still never seen it.
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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

PostWed Mar 15, 2017 6:55 pm

...just after I bought import Blu-rays of each film...well Neil Brand can be hit-and-miss with the scores - his effort on Piccadilly was a distinct disappointment.
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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

PostWed Mar 15, 2017 8:00 pm

Saint-Just wrote:...just after I bought import Blu-rays of each film


Someone had to, to make them release them.
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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

PostWed Mar 15, 2017 9:34 pm

While Downhill is not a murder mystery, it is still a very good film. Ivor Novello's life goes down the tubes after taking the blame for a fellow student's theft. Hitchcock has a great scene where we see Novello working as a waiter and we see him steal something, but that is actually not what happened at all...
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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

PostThu Mar 16, 2017 6:15 am

Saint-Just wrote:...just after I bought import Blu-rays of each film...well Neil Brand can be hit-and-miss with the scores - his effort on Piccadilly was a distinct disappointment.


I actually liked the score on Piccadilly but to each their own.

I'll definitely be picking this one up and I'm glad that I resisted the urge to pick up the UK version, even though the Criterion version will be pricier (though I always buy at the Barnes and Noble 50% off sales they have twice a year for Criterion.)
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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

PostThu Mar 16, 2017 9:25 am

I have the UK version, but I'll probably pick this up to get Downhill. Clever marketing---had they not included it, I might well have passed.
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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

PostThu Mar 16, 2017 11:52 am

I'l buy it for the extras, you know, a scarf like the guy wears; the burst of fog as the case opens…

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PostThu Mar 16, 2017 10:11 pm

Cinecon had a nice 35mm print of "Downhill" a few years ago. It's pretty twisted.
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PostFri Mar 17, 2017 4:03 am

Does anyone know if these are the BFI restorations that made the rounds as part of the Hitchcock 9 tour a few years ago? I saw a few of them -- including these two, and Blackmail -- and they all looked great, so I'm assuming that's what they are (I can't imagine why Criterion would undertake a new restoration when the BFI had so recently sunk so many resources into their own). I've asked around, but have yet to get the attention of someone who knows the answer.
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PostFri Mar 17, 2017 8:02 am

Battra92 wrote:I actually liked the score on Piccadilly but to each their own.


Same here. I guess I probably haven't watched Piccadilly in a few years, but I recall enjoying the score. But then I'm not as annoyed as others are by Maria Newman.

Battra92 wrote:I'll definitely be picking this one up and I'm glad that I resisted the urge to pick up the UK version


No kidding. I was so close to ordering the UK Lodger when I saw the Criterion announcement. Definitely glad I held off, and I gotta say I'm digging the artwork Criterion has put together. Plus Downhill!
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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

PostFri Mar 17, 2017 4:54 pm

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Saint-Just wrote:...just after I bought import Blu-rays of each film...well Neil Brand can be hit-and-miss with the scores - his effort on Piccadilly was a distinct disappointment.


I actually liked the score on Piccadilly but to each their own.


Not saying Brand's score was a sonic obscenity that made me dive for the mute button, just flat and lacklustre - there are spots where it does nothing and should be doing something. I can think of a half dozen composers - some of whom are members here - who could have made Piccadilly a truly riveting experience. It's a great film that deserves a better score than the one it carries.
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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

PostFri Mar 17, 2017 7:45 pm

That's fine. I'm open to differing opinions. For example I hate the pots and pans score by the Alloy Orchestra on the Arbuckle Keaton shorts Kino released.
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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

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Battra92 wrote:That's fine. I'm open to differing opinions. For example I hate the pots and pans score by the Alloy Orchestra on the Arbuckle Keaton shorts Kino released.


Oh, trust me, we're in full agreement on that one. 8)
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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

PostSat Mar 18, 2017 2:55 pm

Interesting. I bought the book a few months ago, having been interested in London crime mysteries. This might encourage me to actually read it. Is this movie supposed to be quite good?
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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

PostSat Jul 01, 2017 7:20 pm

Thanks for the mention of Downhill as an extra. Had it not been mentioned in this thread I likely would not known it was there or watched it. And after having now watched both The Lodger and the extra Downhill, while both were good I actually liked Downhill better.

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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

PostSat Jul 01, 2017 8:52 pm

A review on DVD Talk by Randy Miller III:

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/72163/lo ... ction-the/

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Is Downhill captioned? Criterion does a good job of captioning its main films, but never captions the extras unless they are in a foreign language.

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Jim Roots wrote:Is Downhill captioned? Criterion does a good job of captioning its main films, but never captions the extras unless they are in a foreign language.

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Downhill is silent, so the dialog at least will be on title cards.
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PostTue Jul 04, 2017 2:38 pm

Rodney wrote:
Jim Roots wrote:Is Downhill captioned? Criterion does a good job of captioning its main films, but never captions the extras unless they are in a foreign language.

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Downhill is silent, so the dialog at least will be on title cards.


Thanks! Another one to add to the thousands I intend to order at the next Criterion sale!

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Jim Roots wrote:
Rodney wrote:
Jim Roots wrote:Is Downhill captioned? Criterion does a good job of captioning its main films, but never captions the extras unless they are in a foreign language.

Jim


Downhill is silent, so the dialog at least will be on title cards.


Thanks! Another one to add to the thousands I intend to order at the next Criterion sale!

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The rumors on internets say that's coming up on the 15th. I'll definitely be picking it up as well. I think that will be all the most recent Criterion silents for me.
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The rumors on internets say that's coming up on the 15th. I'll definitely be picking it up as well. I think that will be all the most recent Criterion silents for me.


JULY 15th???!!! Oh, f*** ... I'll be out of town, still in Winnipeg for two more days, probably not going to have time to check in on a sale.

I thought Criterion, and Barnes and Noble, have their sales in the fall and the spring, not in the summer?

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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

PostThu Jul 06, 2017 11:48 am

Jim Roots wrote:
Battra92 wrote:
The rumors on internets say that's coming up on the 15th. I'll definitely be picking it up as well. I think that will be all the most recent Criterion silents for me.


JULY 15th???!!! Oh, f*** ... I'll be out of town, still in Winnipeg for two more days, probably not going to have time to check in on a sale.

I thought Criterion, and Barnes and Noble, have their sales in the fall and the spring, not in the summer?

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I'm with you, Jim. I don't know of any Criterion sales this time of year; at least straight from them.

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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

PostThu Jul 06, 2017 12:32 pm

Blu Ray Forum says July 11th - August 7th.

Oh and in checking my posts on Facebook from last year, there was one in July of last year as well.
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PostThu Jul 06, 2017 2:41 pm

Oh, B & N. That's cool.

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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

PostThu Jul 06, 2017 2:46 pm

Battra92 wrote:Blu Ray Forum says July 11th - August 7th.

Oh and in checking my posts on Facebook from last year, there was one in July of last year as well.


Hope that's right. If it only lasts four or five days, I'll be out of luck!

Gotta pay an arborist to remove tree growths and overhanging hedges. Gotta pay for a complete replacement of the eavestrough. Gotta pay to replace the AC. Gotta pay for a bathroom renovation. The hell with all that, I'm gonna pay for Criterion videos! I've got my priorities straight!

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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

PostTue Jul 11, 2017 6:58 pm

I just got the disc, and both movies are incorrectly transferred at 1080p. For The Lodger, every fifth frame repeats; Downhill, every fourth.
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PostWed Jul 12, 2017 7:41 pm

Nick_M wrote:I just got the disc, and both movies are incorrectly transferred at 1080p. For The Lodger, every fifth frame repeats; Downhill, every fourth.


Yep. They effed them up. Which is strange, because these late-20s silent films would run just fine at 24 fps, and then there'd be no problem. It's maddening. Repeat after me, those in charge of deciding between 1080p or 1080i for HD silent film transfers: if the film is run at 24 fps, it's 1080p. If it's run slower than that, it's 1080i. No ifs, ands, or buts. Otherwise you get annoying jerky-motion. The BFI Chaplin Mutuals Blu-ray set is effed up in this same manner. Try watching THE RINK and marvel at how unsmooth the skating sequences are. A real shame, because otherwise these releases are perfection.
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Re: Criterion ~ The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog Blu-ra

PostThu Jul 13, 2017 2:17 am

I just posted this on the Criterion website (on the Lodger article). Have any of their other silent discs had the same problem? Maybe it's a fault they'll correct?
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