THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostThu Apr 20, 2017 12:14 am

The Lost World is a public domain film. https://archive.org/details/CopyrightSe ... tWorld1925
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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostThu Apr 20, 2017 9:52 am

Great Hierophant wrote:
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I stopped watching soon after he said "The Lost World is a Public Domain film, there's no copyright laws attached to it, which is perfect so I can have it on my channel." I despise such arrogant prigs who assume that everything connected with a silent film is in the public domain. I'm also not fond of off the cuff, extemporaneous commentaries on films in general.


I wouldn't call him an arrogant prig. First, he's correct; it's a PD film. Second, I don't see where he assumes that everything connected with silent films is PD. However, I can't argue with your statement re: off-the cuff commentaries.
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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostThu Apr 20, 2017 11:29 am

All Darc wrote:May I suggest a special dedicatory to David Shepard in this edition?

FlickerAlley wrote:We are currently working on the release of Lobster Films' restoration on Blu-ray.


Thanks for the lovely suggestion. We are dedicating all of David's final produced works to him. You will see a dedication on the back cover of our next release. Thanks again.
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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostThu Apr 20, 2017 2:38 pm

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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostThu Apr 20, 2017 7:41 pm

WaverBoy wrote:
Great Hierophant wrote:
All Darc wrote:


I stopped watching soon after he said "The Lost World is a Public Domain film, there's no copyright laws attached to it, which is perfect so I can have it on my channel." I despise such arrogant prigs who assume that everything connected with a silent film is in the public domain. I'm also not fond of off the cuff, extemporaneous commentaries on films in general.


I wouldn't call him an arrogant prig. First, he's correct; it's a PD film. Second, I don't see where he assumes that everything connected with silent films is PD. However, I can't argue with your statement re: off-the cuff commentaries.


If he were showing the old hour-long print that has been around since 1929, I would agree. That thing is in the public domain. However, a reconstruction of the film that hails from the late 20th century may not be in the public domain. The score attached to it is definitely not PD. The editorial work that went into these reconstructions by the GEH and DS, separately, is well-documented in the article All Darc linked. I might suggest this article as well : http://nerdlypleasures.blogspot.com/201 ... omain.html
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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostThu Apr 20, 2017 7:58 pm

Restoration is not copyrightable. Newly created derivative works are. If they are still calling it "The Lost World" and dating it 1925 I would say that they are admitting that it isn't a new work, but just a restoration. Scores are copyrightable. But they could take a score off and put another on and it would be fine.

Works in the public domain belong to everyone. We can republish them, create new works based on them and share them for free. When something is old enough to become part of the history of our culture, the creator is honored by having his work gifted to the world.
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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostFri Apr 21, 2017 10:09 am

So how close are we to a complete LOST WORLD now? It seems like it has nearly doubled in length from various sources compared to what it used to be (though I suppose some of that is film speed variance), so it has to be getting pretty close.
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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostFri Apr 21, 2017 2:13 pm

bigshot wrote:Restoration is not copyrightable. Newly created derivative works are. If they are still calling it "The Lost World" and dating it 1925 I would say that they are admitting that it isn't a new work, but just a restoration. Scores are copyrightable. But they could take a score off and put another on and it would be fine.

Works in the public domain belong to everyone. We can republish them, create new works based on them and share them for free. When something is old enough to become part of the history of our culture, the creator is honored by having his work gifted to the world.


I firmly believe that there is a blind spot in copyright law that could be addressed by introducing limited rights ownership to properties lapsing into the PD. Thoughtful legal minds would carve out a special class of shorter term rights control that benefits both entrepreneurs and the greater public interest. The goal would be to encourage studios to locate, restore and release archived films long out of public view while providing a status, protections and financial opportunities for individual entrepreneurs acquiring films that have already fallen into PD.

In respect to film the goal should always be long term preservation and greater public access. What we currently have are a hodge-podge of arcane laws that sunset rights in a random manner in spite of a dilineated time frame. The problem is this: if rights lapse into public domain, what rationale is there for studios holding archival prints and negatives of public interest to spend a penny on restoration, much less release quality versions when they can be legally copied and distributed by back-yard entrepreneurs for modest investment?

Keep in mind that I'm 100% in support of entrepreneurs running Kickstarter projects funding modest restorations of orphaned films with the goal of providing video releases to get films back in front of the public. These individual efforts fulfill a need that many studios and distributors won't embark on due to the cost and limited marketability or can't accomplish due to lack of suitable film elements.

Nevertheless, the PD wasteland provides too many opportunities for bargain basement operations to exploit the public and dampen interest in quality. Distributors like Alpha Video, et. al, may satisfy a market hungry for low cost entertainment, but the antiquated public domain laws that enable poor quality copies also reduce the already limited market share while threatening future restorations.

Before anyone asks, no ...I'm not a copyright attorney, and sorry 'bout getting a bit off topic. Then again, we are discussing the lost world. :wink:
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