THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostTue Jun 06, 2017 5:54 pm

Oh, I see! Well that makes a lot more sense to me now about the collaboration with the Alloy Orchestra. Fantastic!

As for the film itself, sans music, you noted that it restored the original narrative cards (or at least the dialogue of them itself). Were there other improvements apart from the image clarity and quality compared to Shepard's prior restoration? For example, does it now show the complete Brontosaurus tail swipe that the older version cut for some reason? Any of the newly-discovered footage that you can think of that stood out? I know from the recent interview that the cannibal scene is not there, sadly, but I am still hopeful for other gems in its extended runtime.
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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostTue Jun 06, 2017 6:05 pm

scallenger wrote:Oh, I see! Well that makes a lot more sense to me now about the collaboration with the Alloy Orchestra. Fantastic!

As for the film itself, sans music, you noted that it restored the original narrative cards (or at least the dialogue of them itself). Were there other improvements apart from the image clarity and quality compared to Shepard's prior restoration? For example, does it now show the complete Brontosaurus tail swipe that the older version cut for some reason? Any of the newly-discovered footage that you can think of that stood out? I know from the recent interview that the cannibal scene is not there, sadly, but I am still hopeful for other gems in its extended runtime.


Yes, I'm not as familiar with the earlier film as you are (I've mostly seen it in 16mm, and probably only three times). I know that a bunch of people get swiped by the tail in a shot in the London sequence, but don't know if it's longer than before. There may have been more of the dinosaur making bubbles in the Thames, but I couldn't swear to it. You shoulda been there and reported! :D I imagine that most of the footage that was cut in the shorter versions was non-dinosaur footage (since we know why people are watching this film), but I was happy to see more Bessie.
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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostWed Jun 07, 2017 12:26 am

I agree with Camille, the SF screening was terrific. Alloy was wonderful in SF, terrific. The bronto stuck in the mud, wailing as heartwrenching. Well done! For the bluray I thought I saw Robert Israel's name on the credits that were rolling before the projectionist turned off the DCP.
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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostWed Jun 07, 2017 9:15 am

It always amazed me that so much of what was cut from the film for the hour-long version was dinosaur animation. Whoever was doing the editing really didn't understand the market of this movie.
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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostWed Jun 07, 2017 9:29 am

...and yet...

When PHANTOM was trimmed, the goal seems to have been, "leave all the Chaney in" - and by cutting so much non-Chaney plot, they made the movie overall less effective.

Which, in a way, undercuts Chaney's work, too.
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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostSun Jun 18, 2017 1:08 pm

Jeff Rapsis wrote:
Rodney wrote:Full disclosure: Alloy kindly loaned me a four-foot long pipe for our score for Silence, since I couldn't fit mine in checked luggage. It worked beautifully for the Foley-heavy beginning to that score.


That's one of the great things about Ken Winokur and Alloy: their generosity to other musicians! Last year, Ken loaned me an authentic boxing bell for several screenings of 'Battling Butler.' I was literally saved by the bell!

I'm going to have my first live Alloy experience later this week at Solid Sound in North Adams, Mass. (at MassMOCA). Can't wait! Still not sure what they'll be performing, but maybe it's better if it's a surprise.

(Never mind, it's been posted on the Solid Sound site: Man With a Movie Camera on Friday, Page of Madness on Saturday. Stoked!)
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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostThu Jun 29, 2017 4:14 am

WaverBoy wrote:Might I plead that, if this is going to be running at a speed other than 24fps, you do 1080i instead of 1080p, in order to ward off any undesirable motion artifacting?


Judging by the clip on Vimeo, it will have stuttering motion. I spot-checked and it was repeating every 2nd, 3rd, and 5th frames. Ugh.
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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostThu Jun 29, 2017 7:35 am

Nick_M wrote:
WaverBoy wrote:Might I plead that, if this is going to be running at a speed other than 24fps, you do 1080i instead of 1080p, in order to ward off any undesirable motion artifacting?


Judging by the clip on Vimeo, it will have stuttering motion. I spot-checked and it was repeating every 2nd, 3rd, and 5th frames. Ugh.


That could be Vimeo's processing, I would wait until we receive pressed discs before we make a final call on the release's frame rate issues, if any.
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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostThu Jun 29, 2017 8:29 am

Sorry my ignorance. May I ask if this nice clip it's a lost scene found recently, or a alternate take of a scene that was missing ?
Is it Kodascope print ? Looks good but not exactly up to a original 35mm print.

I'm trying to found whoe the FX composition was made. Obrien used small projection associated with miniatures, but in this clip I'm trying to find were is the divisory line.

Nick_M wrote:
WaverBoy wrote:Might I plead that, if this is going to be running at a speed other than 24fps, you do 1080i instead of 1080p, in order to ward off any undesirable motion artifacting?


Judging by the clip on Vimeo, it will have stuttering motion. I spot-checked and it was repeating every 2nd, 3rd, and 5th frames. Ugh.
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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostThu Jun 29, 2017 8:54 am

The entire bottom right quarter is the live action portion. It's pretty much exactly divided like that. It's not rear projection though.
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Re: THE LOST WORLD (1925) - new restoration?

PostThu Jun 29, 2017 9:49 am

So it's a masked effect... Now I remamber it was a early effect, used in The Great Train Robbery.
It was well made in this scene.
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