KEATON BOX SET FROM EUREKA COMING SOON

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Re: KEATON BOX SET FROM EUREKA COMING SOON

PostSat Nov 25, 2017 5:46 am

bigshot wrote:I think the reason Eureka did it different is because some people balk at I instead of P after the 1080. Kino does that too, to the consternation of the people who hate judder. Shepard claimed that the original cue sheets called for 67 minutes and 26 fps. The Spanish release is definitely faster than the old Kino. The back cover time may be a typo, or perhaps it includes some sort of restoration titles that have been tacked on. However the film speed is different and I really like it, because combined with the fantastic 4K transfer, it gives the film a live presence that is rare in silent films. Kind of like Todd AO in 30 frames, just not quite that pronounced. If you're going to own more than one copy of this, I'd suggest the Spanish one for the film and the Eureka one for the extras. (I have the Kino one, but I am giving it away for a Christmas present this year.)


When my Eureka set arrives I'll make a point of watching The General first and leave my impressions based on comparisons with an earlier KINO edition. Unfortunately, I don't own the Spanish release or I'd do an A/B comparison of that edition as well. I've done some research on judder to better understand it's overall impact on the viewing experience. Much of the criticism of progressive scans susceptibility to judder is overblown and, when present, mileage varies (case by case).

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Re: KEATON BOX SET FROM EUREKA COMING SOON

PostSat Nov 25, 2017 6:35 pm

Judder won't be much of an issue if the film is 24 fps. It's more of a problem with 18 fps. If they did The General at 26 fps without interlacing, there would probably be judder.
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Re: KEATON BOX SET FROM EUREKA COMING SOON

PostMon Nov 27, 2017 10:00 am

I got the set the other day -- did a cursory check of some favorite moments in GENERAL and SHERLOCK, and was most impressed. The picture is crystal clear and feels properly balanced -- there's none of the bleached out look that has cursed some other releases. I didn't notice any judder.

And last night's full-out watch of THE GENERAL was most enjoyable. It just looks great, and Carl Davis' score is one of the best I know of. This will be my go-to home video version of the film.
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Re: KEATON BOX SET FROM EUREKA COMING SOON

PostMon Nov 27, 2017 2:00 pm

Roscoe wrote:I got the set the other day -- did a cursory check of some favorite moments in GENERAL and SHERLOCK, and was most impressed. The picture is crystal clear and feels properly balanced -- there's none of the bleached out look that has cursed some other releases. I didn't notice any judder.

And last night's full-out watch of THE GENERAL was most enjoyable. It just looks great, and Carl Davis' score is one of the best I know of. This will be my go-to home video version of the film.


Excellent report, Roscoe! :D

My set arrived an hour ago. (woo-hoo!)

Note: Reviews of Eureka's MoC Keaton set are starting to pop-up on the web. For those on the fence, if there are still sets available, I wouldn't procrastinate. At 3000 copies, this ltd. ed. set will be OOP before the end of the year and selling at a premium through eBay marketers.

bigshot wrote:Judder won't be much of an issue if the film is 24 fps. It's more of a problem with 18 fps. If they did The General at 26 fps without interlacing, there would probably be judder.


Follow-up: The MoC presentation states the same running time as the Spanish language version (67 min.). Judder not being a factor, the only mystery remaining is how an interlaced film scanned at 26 fps can have the exact same running time as as a progressive scanned film locked into 24 fps. Hopefully, someone will be able to unravel this curious conundrum.
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Re: KEATON BOX SET FROM EUREKA COMING SOON

PostTue Jan 02, 2018 8:39 am

I can't find the USA blue ray anywhere online...
Already sold out?

Help please.
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Re: KEATON BOX SET FROM EUREKA COMING SOON

PostTue Jan 02, 2018 10:40 am

The Kino blu-rays are at Amazon.
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Re: KEATON BOX SET FROM EUREKA COMING SOON

PostThu Jan 18, 2018 4:11 pm

Is Cohen or someone planning on releasing these in the States? I'm assuming these are different (and superior to) the Lobster restorations Kino released last year? (Though it was nice to get the Gaylord Carter score for SBJ on blu!)7
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Re: KEATON BOX SET FROM EUREKA COMING SOON

PostWed Jan 31, 2018 2:33 pm

Kino and Lobster are having a concurrent Keaton restoration thing going on, and naturally they want US customers to buy Kino discs. This is a rare situation we are having here: two parties (Kino and Eureka) using different film elements of the same films for Blu-ray released virtually at the same time (and more to come). Usually we have two parties, same elements, same or different release dates, such as Kino and Eureka's discs of "Metropolis" and other Murnau Foundation-restored titles. Or we have two parties, different elements, different release dates, as in the cases when newer restorations surpassing older ones. Here we have two COMPETING restoration projects going on at the same time for the same films! So I'm predicting their discs will be region-locked all the way. This is the ESSENCE of why the industry created region locks: to prevent consumers from importing stuff from COMPETING markets. Cohen/Eureka seem to have won Round 1 with "The General" and we'll just have to wait and see for the other titles. For those waiting for this new version to come to the US, don't hold your breath, as some titles just don't cross over. E.g., the US only got the Blackhawk version of the "The Phantom of the Opera" on Blu-ray, while the Photoplay version was only released on Blu-ray by BFI in the UK.
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Re: KEATON BOX SET FROM EUREKA COMING SOON

PostWed Jan 31, 2018 3:11 pm

I bought the Eureka set and… it's a blast!
Well, maybe I exaggerate, but I'm a fan.

First, there's a lovely picture of Buster in Civil War uniform on the front of the box.

There's a booklet full of pictures, some of which I don't remember seeing before.

I watched Sherlock, Jr. first, my favorite Sherlock movie, score by Timothy Brock. Since that is a short film, they add in a documentary of Keaton's life. It's called Buster Keaton: The Genius Destroyed by Hollywood. It rivals A Hard Act to Follow in quality. The only bad thing about it, it's under an hour long. There's also commentary and an extra on filming locations, and more!

Next up was The General, score by Carl Davis. What a great movie, runs like a clock. Extras include those intros by Orson Welles and Gloria Swanson, home movie footage, filming locations, and more!

I haven't gotten to Steamboat Bill, Jr., yet. Score by Carl Davis. Extras include Buster on a Wagon Train episode, that I don't remember seeing, an audio recording of a Buster Keaton interview, and more!

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Re: KEATON BOX SET FROM EUREKA COMING SOON

PostWed Jan 31, 2018 3:13 pm

Yet again, a perfect example why everyone should have a region-free player...
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Re: KEATON BOX SET FROM EUREKA COMING SOON

PostWed Jan 31, 2018 11:57 pm

The latest (25 January) episode of the Damfino's new Buster Keaton podcast focuses on the relative merits of the various available box sets and special editions.

For those who are on Facebook, there's even a handy diagram - https://www.facebook.com/BusterKeatonSociety/photos/a.78631863703.74956.72943748703/10155981248893704/?type=3&theater.
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