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PostWed Jan 31, 2018 1:27 pm

I've looked heavily into this, and I'm afraid I have disappointing info. Other than the first reel in 35mm, nothing in high-quality 35mm has turned up for the original 1925 release of Phantom - and Universal included it in their worldwide search when setting up their Silent Film Initiative. There exists 16mm elements, but Universal isn't going to pour money into restoring a public domain film using 16mm prints when the result will still be inferior to the 35mm George Eastman House print and all the blu-rays and DCPs that are already out there for that shorter version.

Other things that don't help -

1. Tom Cruise's The Mummy underperformed at the box office and the "Dark Universe" creative team has since disbanded. Bill Condon might still do The Bride of Frankenstein because it's his passion project and he's a major player, but if that doesn't do well, then Universal has even less incentive to focus on their old monster properties.

2. I've been told there's new management at Universal, and they aren't so keen on spending more money on silent film restorations. The previously announced restorations might be all we get for a while. I hope it's not true, but that's from a trusted source :(

On the upside, my project is still chugging along and I won't stop unless Universal announces something ;)
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PostWed Jan 31, 2018 6:16 pm

Yes, that's what I heard too, about the first reel in 35mm that was found, mislabeled apparently as sound film.

Too bad there's not more initiative. I heard a very intriguing theory about recovering more image quality in those Show at Home prints, by scanning two copies and combining the differential image information in each to create a higher quality composite.
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PostWed Jan 31, 2018 6:26 pm

Scott J wrote:On the upside, my project is still chugging along and I won't stop unless Universal announces something ;)


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PostThu Feb 01, 2018 8:02 am

Brianruns10 wrote: I heard a very intriguing theory about recovering more image quality in those Show at Home prints, by scanning two copies and combining the differential image information in each to create a higher quality composite.


Yes that is true. There's several ways to do that and each shot will require custom settings. Not a perfect process by any means, but it will yield a slightly better image - though nowhere near the quality of the George Eastman 35mm. That combined with extensive cleanup will produce a version of the longer cut that is visually superior to current 16mm transfers of Phantom. Unfortunately, we do not yet have access to a Show-At-Home (still knocking on doors for that - thankfully no restraining orders as of yet! :mrgreen: ). On the plus side, we have a couple of above average 16mm prints and a dedicated team who love this film.
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PostThu Feb 01, 2018 11:24 am

It was my idea

It would require a edge detection & automatic alignment very similar to what Warner's Ultra Resolution software do, like they did to perfect align the technicolor stripos for Singin in The Rain and Gone With The Wind.

Also another expansive, very expansive, technology it's from Lowry DIgital, former Lowry Digital Images, since they can analyse the grain pattern in similar frames and extract extra details in a sucession of frames for areas very similar, since the grain is randow and the grain in a couple of frames can have some m ore information than in a single frame, as the grain ocupates a bit different regions and not always the precise same point. With two or three copies this process in theory could be even better, specially in scenes with camera motion or fast character's motion.

But if money it's still a problem even for a usual digital clean up of a single print, what we could say about a 5 star project for something never tried before ?

Brianruns10 wrote:Yes, that's what I heard too, about the first reel in 35mm that was found, mislabeled apparently as sound film.

Too bad there's not more initiative. I heard a very intriguing theory about recovering more image quality in those Show at Home prints, by scanning two copies and combining the differential image information in each to create a higher quality composite.
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PostWed Feb 07, 2018 6:29 pm

Unless there is actual proof visually somewhere online, I’m going to assume that they found nothing. Cynical, but I feel like there would have been more fuss made about it.
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PostWed Feb 07, 2018 7:26 pm

Years ago there was a rumor that an odd reel or two was found in Italy but I never heard anything else about it. Urban legends.

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PostWed Feb 07, 2018 7:42 pm

The last I heard was that some more of the Technicolor scenes had been found?

Whilst we are about it, what's happening with the Opera House set that used to be in Stage 28. Universal took it out and were going to put it on display somewhere?
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PostThu Feb 08, 2018 8:07 am

ChrisStockslager wrote:Unless there is actual proof visually somewhere online, I’m going to assume that they found nothing. Cynical, but I feel like there would have been more fuss made about it.


Chris, if you're referring to the color Opening stuff, there was a fair amount of discussion of it here. And Jack Theakston confirmed it.

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PostThu Feb 08, 2018 9:59 am

Photoplay used film colorization for the first time as a restoration tool (or almost) given proper use, when they colorized the missing portion of the two color technicolor Masked Bal fotage, using the surviving Masked Bal sequence as reference. It's the color scenes, in Photoplay version, after Raul and Christine talk on the roof where the Phantom listen. A cene of Christine and Raul talking with the detective, some party scenes, and a scene of the phantom interacting with people on party.

Would be right to computer colorize all the missing technicolor footage for hte film, case it's possible to find references for the color of the sets and costumes and how it would look in a 2 color technicolor sequence?

There problems...
The colorized footage wasn't from a surviving B&W print shot from the technicolor print, since technicolor and B&W footage was shot with different cameras during the 20's, and a conversion from technicolor to B&W would reduze the image quality, creat soft look and poor contrast, due technicolor nature and film duplication limitation during silent era. And 2 color technicolor system had color balance as director of photography choices, and we can't know well what was the balance he choosed, even if we find the color of sets and costumes to get a reference for colorization.

I'm curious. Is the 1943 version of Phantom of The Opera film was really shot in the same studios and sets than the 1925 version ?
Or is just the set from the interior of the Opera Theater, the stage and auditorium ?
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