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Re: Pending releases from Flicker Alley

PostSun May 13, 2018 9:57 am

OK, that's what I thought, thanks. I couldn't imagine that I'd missed it *and* no one here talked about it.
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PostSun May 13, 2018 10:57 am

Sorry, that's the one I thought you were speaking of...my mistake...I wasn't reading carefully!
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PostSun May 13, 2018 11:02 pm

There certainly was a stated intention to release the 1928 Ramona, and it was no idle rumour - word came direct from both Rob Stone and Hugh Munro Neely. Why that release is currently stalled is a mystery. Perhaps the discovery of a second (and reportedly superior) print in Europe threw a spanner into the works.

Both gentlemen are occasional visitors to Nitrateville, I wonder if one or other might chime in?
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PostMon May 14, 2018 12:30 am

Brooksie wrote:There certainly was a stated intention to release the 1928 Ramona, and it was no idle rumour - word came direct from both Rob Stone and Hugh Munro Neely. Why that release is currently stalled is a mystery. Perhaps the discovery of a second (and reportedly superior) print in Europe threw a spanner into the works.

Both gentlemen are occasional visitors to Nitrateville, I wonder if one or other might chime in?


I thought the second print found was another nitrate from which the initial (Czech) one was possibly copied from? In any case, I hope it gets the BD treatment it deserves. The story recounted here is that this nitrate (2016) is a German print taken by the Russians from the Reichsfilmarchiv at the end of World War II – the same story associated with the Czech print. It has been speculated that the Czech print may be a dupe of the German, or that both prints were taken from Berlin at the same time, with one kept in Moscow and one sent to Prague. Further clarity was not elaborated on so far as I can tell.

From 2016: https://silentlondon.co.uk/2016/05/05/nitrate-picture-show-2016-review-intoxicating-celluloid/
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Re: Pending releases from Flicker Alley

PostFri May 18, 2018 5:46 am

Mitch Farish wrote:Ramona (1928) has not been released. I thought the plan was to release the Del Rio silent with other silent versions of Romona, included Pickford's for Biograph in 1910, as extras. I spoke to someone from Milestone about whether they would be releasing this, since they previously released Del Rio's Evangeline (also from Fox). They said they had no plans to release Ramona. Mont Alto has recorded a score, but so far there's been no announcement of a release by anyone.


Timeline Films, Hugh Munro Neely's company, is working on Ramona, not Milestone. I recorded scores for the 1928, 1910, and what survives of the 1916 versions (it's said to be just reel 5, but actually covers quite a lot of the novel). I tweaked the 1928 score to match the more recently discovered Russian tinted nitrate footage. The Czech and Russian prints have different titles, but are otherwise almost identical in content, supporting the theory that one is a copy of the other. A couple of short sections of a burning house that were murky in the Czech print turn out to be tinted deep red in the Russian print.

I haven’t heard news on this release for a while.
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Re: Pending releases from Flicker Alley

PostFri May 18, 2018 3:35 pm

Rodney wrote:
Mitch Farish wrote:Ramona (1928) has not been released. I thought the plan was to release the Del Rio silent with other silent versions of Romona, included Pickford's for Biograph in 1910, as extras. I spoke to someone from Milestone about whether they would be releasing this, since they previously released Del Rio's Evangeline (also from Fox). They said they had no plans to release Ramona. Mont Alto has recorded a score, but so far there's been no announcement of a release by anyone.


Timeline Films, Hugh Munro Neely's company, is working on Ramona, not Milestone. I recorded scores for the 1928, 1910, and what survives of the 1916 versions (it's said to be just reel 5, but actually covers quite a lot of the novel). I tweaked the 1928 score to match the more recently discovered Russian tinted nitrate footage. The Czech and Russian prints have different titles, but are otherwise almost identical in content, supporting the theory that one is a copy of the other. A couple of short sections of a burning house that were murky in the Czech print turn out to be tinted deep red in the Russian print.

I haven’t heard news on this release for a while.


This is disappointing. Timeline has only released DVDs, if I recall, and this film deserves the best HD presentation possible. Would they be the company to release Ramona? I hope someone can get to the bottom of what happened to this important possible release that was rumored and talked about so much up until last year. I heard marvelous things about the prints.
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PostTue May 22, 2018 4:37 pm

The Garden of Eden is slated for 19 June:
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=23366

Many of you will recall that this film was Flicker Alley's numero uno release in 2002 or so, and it's lovely to see it available again!

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PostTue May 22, 2018 4:56 pm

Harold Aherne wrote:The Garden of Eden is slated for 19 June:
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=23366

Many of you will recall that this film was Flicker Alley's numero uno release in 2002 or so, and it's lovely to see it available again!

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How exciting! I didn't think a title like this would get a full BD treatment, so an MOD BD is better than nothing, and the quality should be fine. There are only a handful of MOD BD's Flicker Alley have put out that I would argue deserved the full BD treatment (Chicago would look even more incredible with a 4K restoration and BD release). More surprises are welcome!
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Re: Pending releases from Flicker Alley

PostThu May 24, 2018 12:55 am

:o Good to see THE GARDEN OF EDEN final being re-released. However, I was under the impression that the 10 minute Color Dream sequence or at least a few minutes of it had since been found? Hoping against hope that this might be included. Nonetheless, it's nice to have this terrific film back in circulation.

Rob Stone said a few months ago on Facebook that RAMONA was still in the works. "Should be out soon" he added. Although we have been hearing that for at least a couple years now. I wonder if Hugh is having trouble finding a distributor?
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Re: Pending releases from Flicker Alley

PostThu May 24, 2018 2:31 am

Gagman 66 wrote:Rob Stone said a few months ago on Facebook that RAMONA was still in the works. "Should be out soon" he added. Although we have been hearing that for at least a couple years now. I wonder if Hugh is having trouble finding a distributor?


I don't understand why Flicker Alley, KINO, or Milestone wouldn't want to pick this up and distribute it. It would be a sure-seller, certainly as well as any of the Swansons, as the history behind its portrayal of Native Americans (thanks to Edwin Carewe) would be enough to be a convincing selling point. While I'd prefer this one get a pressed BD treatment as opposed to a MOD BD-R, at this point, anything will do. For the best presentation possible of the restoration, I hope one of these companies wants Ramona.
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PostThu May 24, 2018 3:45 pm

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Gagman 66 wrote:Rob Stone said a few months ago on Facebook that RAMONA was still in the works. "Should be out soon" he added. Although we have been hearing that for at least a couple years now. I wonder if Hugh is having trouble finding a distributor?


I don't understand why Flicker Alley, KINO, or Milestone wouldn't want to pick this up and distribute it. It would be a sure-seller, certainly as well as any of the Swansons, as the history behind its portrayal of Native Americans (thanks to Edwin Carewe) would be enough to be a convincing selling point. While I'd prefer this one get a pressed BD treatment as opposed to a MOD BD-R, at this point, anything will do. For the best presentation possible of the restoration, I hope one of these companies wants Ramona.


Who owns the rights? Sometimes rights owners have an unrealistic idea of how much video companies would pay to license the film?
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PostThu May 24, 2018 4:08 pm

buskeat wrote:
Keatonesque wrote:
Gagman 66 wrote:Rob Stone said a few months ago on Facebook that RAMONA was still in the works. "Should be out soon" he added. Although we have been hearing that for at least a couple years now. I wonder if Hugh is having trouble finding a distributor?


I don't understand why Flicker Alley, KINO, or Milestone wouldn't want to pick this up and distribute it. It would be a sure-seller, certainly as well as any of the Swansons, as the history behind its portrayal of Native Americans (thanks to Edwin Carewe) would be enough to be a convincing selling point. While I'd prefer this one get a pressed BD treatment as opposed to a MOD BD-R, at this point, anything will do. For the best presentation possible of the restoration, I hope one of these companies wants Ramona.


Who owns the rights? Sometimes rights owners have an unrealistic idea of how much video companies would pay to license the film?


I heard Warner but I also assumed it was probably PD.
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Re: Pending releases from Flicker Alley

PostThu May 24, 2018 6:19 pm

The Del Rio Ramona should be entirely PD, as the underlying work was published in 1884 and the film wasn't renewed. (What remained of) Inspiration Pictures may have sold it to Fox for the 1936 remake, but whoever owned the '28 film in the mid-50s didn't file a renewal.

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PostThu May 24, 2018 6:54 pm

Perhaps (however unlikely) no one wants to distribute the film or make the effort to put together some decent supplements.
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PostThu May 24, 2018 7:28 pm

Keatonesque wrote:Perhaps (however unlikely) no one wants to distribute the film or make the effort to put together some decent supplements.


No, it'll be released, and it already has some pretty cool supplements (in the form of the two earlier versions of Ramona, and a "Picture Show Souvenir" booklet that I found on ebay). We recorded the tie-in song (which, like Hugo Riesenfeld at the L.A. premiere, we didn't use in our film score), and I know the sing-along slides for that survive, so they could add that. There was a gorgeous full-color program book with paintings based on publicity stills that would be nice to have, but I've been unable to locate anything more than low-res scans on the internet. Hugh may have had more success. (Those pictures, with exceedingly purple prose, appear in this video attached to the song as sung by Gene Austin).

I did a trek in Zion National Park when I played at the Springdale Utah library, and located and photographed several locations from Ramona, and put a John Bengston-style then/now video together. I've offered that for the release as well. I wish I had modern-day photos of the Mission San Juan Capistrano locations, but that's a bit far from me here in Colorado...

If I run into Hugh at the SF SFF I'm sure we'll be talking about this, and I'll report back if I learn anything.
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Re: Pending releases from Flicker Alley

PostFri May 25, 2018 3:16 pm

Rodney wrote:
Keatonesque wrote:Perhaps (however unlikely) no one wants to distribute the film or make the effort to put together some decent supplements.


No, it'll be released, and it already has some pretty cool supplements (in the form of the two earlier versions of Ramona, and a "Picture Show Souvenir" booklet that I found on ebay). We recorded the tie-in song (which, like Hugo Riesenfeld at the L.A. premiere, we didn't use in our film score), and I know the sing-along slides for that survive, so they could add that. There was a gorgeous full-color program book with paintings based on publicity stills that would be nice to have, but I've been unable to locate anything more than low-res scans on the internet. Hugh may have had more success. (Those pictures, with exceedingly purple prose, appear in this video attached to the song as sung by Gene Austin).

I did a trek in Zion National Park when I played at the Springdale Utah library, and located and photographed several locations from Ramona, and put a John Bengston-style then/now video together. I've offered that for the release as well. I wish I had modern-day photos of the Mission San Juan Capistrano locations, but that's a bit far from me here in Colorado...

If I run into Hugh at the SF SFF I'm sure we'll be talking about this, and I'll report back if I learn anything.


Thanks for all the effort. Fingers crossed for good news.
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