Advice re computer DVD player software

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Advice re computer DVD player software

PostFri Aug 10, 2012 10:19 am

HI folks,

As you probably know, i catalog DVDs and Blu-rays for Stanford University Libraries. Though we have stand-alone DVD and Blu-ray players, we prefer to play them on our computers (because we are filling out cataloging forms on the computer while watching the credits). We're having increasing difficulty with our player software options and are wondering if you all might have some advice.

We're currently running Windows XP and use both PowerDVD and VLC. PowerDVD is not multi-region but generally works fine otherwise. One big advantage is that we can right-click on the movie while it's playing and get a menu that includes "Configuration>Information" and will then tell us whether something is NTSC or PAL and give us the region code or codes (when its uncoded it says 1,2,3,4,5,6, All, which isn't that user-friendly and i'm not sure it's technically correct).

The reason we really like this feature is that we are supposed to note in the catalog record whether something is PAL or NTSC and what the region code is (this is a big problem for Circulation folks dealing with angry patrons who can't play the discs they checked out). A lot of our discs come with no information on the packaging so we have to actually look to see if something is PAL or not (the region coding is usually obvious, except that a lot of our Latin American disc claim to be region 4 but are actually all or 4 and 1--not sure what's going on there!)

So, that feature is important to us, and as far as we can tell, VLC doesn't have it. We're about to switch to Windows 7 and apparently PowerDVD has just come out with a version for Windows7, but we have no idea if they have this feature. Since our tech folks would have to purchase it, we need to know before we get it. Does anyone know whether this (or whether any of the free players) can tell you when something is PAL and what the region code is? Before we discovered this feature in PowerDVD, we used DVD Patcher, but that's a clunky extra step and hard to use, the tech folks are really discouraging us from downloading freeware onto our computers ourselves.

VLC is supposed to be region free, but i find that it doesn't play about 2/3 of the region 2 discs i give it, so a more reliable multiregion player would be a useful thing to have too! VLC is very handy for giving you the total playing time up front (which PowerDVD doesn't), but it doesn't have a fast-forward--we often have to fast forward through the first few minutes of a film so we can locate the credits, especially when they are dribbled out over several minutes.

I realize these are features which most normal users don't need, and we're afraid that as programmers "improve" their players they will work more and more seamlessly which will be a bigger problem for us. We have a multi-region stand-alone player which helpfully plays everything with no comment, so we still have to stick our discs in the computer for the additional data we need.

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Re: Advice re computer DVD player software

PostFri Aug 10, 2012 11:16 am

I use VLC 2.0.1 on a Mac running OS 10.7.4.

On the Mac version at least you can adjust speed with the Playback menu, or hold the fast forward button next to the play button on the player window.

You're right, however, I can't find a way on VLC to check for PAL or region. For that info I used to use a program called Mac the Ripper.
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Re: Advice re computer DVD player software

PostFri Aug 10, 2012 11:43 am

Hmm. I put a R2 disk that has defeated every player I had which checked region into VLC, and it plays fine there. You are right, however, it doesn't have any means to ID if a disk is NTSC/PAL or the region encoding. FF exists, it's over on the right end of the progress bar with a >>

If the info is necessary as it appears, I'd go with PowerDVD.
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Re: Advice re computer DVD player software

PostFri Aug 10, 2012 6:30 pm

I use Win7 x64 and have PowerDVD 10.
Right-click->Settings->Information gives me the following for disc 1 of The Honeymooners:

Player information:
Player region code: 1
Current drive: D:
Title region code: 1

Display information:
Video mode: Progressive
Display mode: DirectShow
FourCC code: NV12
Surface type: Hardware Video Accelerator (DxVA)

Video attributes:
Video compression mode: MPEG-2 (DxVA on)
TV system: 525/60 (NTSC)
Aspect ratio: 4:3
Display mode: Both Pan&scan and Letterbox
Source picture resolution: 720x480 (525/60)
Frame rate: 30.00
Source picture letterboxed: Not letterboxed
Bitrate: 5.87Mbps

Audio attributes:
Audio attributes: Dolby Digital
Sampling rate: 48kHz
Audio application mode: Not Specified
Number of audio channels:2.0
Bitrate: 192 Kbps
Number of audio streams: 1

Subpicture attribute:
Number of subtitles: 2

Hardware Information: [...]
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Re: Advice re computer DVD player software

PostFri Aug 10, 2012 8:55 pm

On the Mac version of VLC it is possible to display the frame rate. I have not found any way to display the region code (unless it is in the latest version of VLC Mac, which I am not yet using).

While the DVD is playing go to <Window>><Media Information> Select the <Media Information> tab.
Then examine the <streams>. Some will be video, some audio. In any of the video ones, look at the frame rate:
59.940060 is NTSC; 50 is PAL.

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Re: Advice re computer DVD player software

PostSat Aug 11, 2012 1:19 am

On my old Mac laptop I can insert any DVD and start the movie playing using the inbuilt Apple DVD Player. Then I can go to the Menu at the top and click on File>Get Disc Info. Under Info you will see PAL or NTSC, Dolby, etc. etc. Under "Regions", you will see all the regions the DVD has been encoded for. Hope this might help in some way.
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Re: Advice re computer DVD player software

PostSat Aug 11, 2012 4:27 am

countryslicker wrote:On my old Mac laptop I can insert any DVD and start the movie playing using the inbuilt Apple DVD Player. Then I can go to the Menu at the top and click on File>Get Disc Info. Under Info you will see PAL or NTSC, Dolby, etc. etc. Under "Regions", you will see all the regions the DVD has been encoded for. Hope this might help in some way.


It helps me. Thanks for the info.
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Re: Advice re computer DVD player software

PostTue Aug 14, 2012 9:54 am

Thanks, all, for your help on this, and especially to Nick_M for the scoop on PowerDVD 10 with Win7. Much as i'd love to use a Mac here, our cataloging software is Windows only.

And thanks for the tips on VLC, i will check and see if i can find those features on the Windows version. At the moment my VLC is refusing to read any discs, though, so i'm going to try uninstalling and then installing the newest version and see if that clears up some of the fussiness.

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Re: Advice re computer DVD player software

PostTue Dec 11, 2012 5:16 pm

Still working on this issue ...

Someone working with the VLC player just told me that if you play the video and go to Tools>Codec Information (or hit Ctrl+J) you can look at the frame rate, which for some reason seems to be doubled. So the frame rate of 50 would be for PAL, and 59.940059 for NTSC.

Does anybody know if this is a reliable way to determine whether a DVD is PAL or NTSC?

Is the new generation of television screens going to make this a moot point?

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Re: Advice re computer DVD player software

PostTue Dec 11, 2012 7:32 pm

greta de groat wrote:Still working on this issue ...

Someone working with the VLC player just told me that if you play the video and go to Tools>Codec Information (or hit Ctrl+J) you can look at the frame rate, which for some reason seems to be doubled. So the frame rate of 50 would be for PAL, and 59.940059 for NTSC.

Does anybody know if this is a reliable way to determine whether a DVD is PAL or NTSC?

greta


All I can say is the frame rate displayed has never failed yet to ID between PAL/NTSC, and I use VLC regularly. Meaning I won't guarantee it but it should be correct.

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