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Davis / Crawford feud new series

PostWed Jan 18, 2017 8:20 pm

Just heard on NPR that a new series about the Bette Davis and Joan Crawford feud during the filming of Whatever Happened to Baby Jane will air on FX sometime this year.Stars Susan Sarandon and Jessica Lane. Checked out photo online and Susan Sarandon really looks likes Bette Davis---Jessica Lane is playing Joan !!
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Re: Davis / Crawford feud new series

PostThu Jan 19, 2017 9:09 am

Thanks, BGM. Can you please share the Link to this announcement? I have always thought that Shaun Considine's book The Divine Feud, would make a good movie.

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PostThu Jan 19, 2017 9:34 am

Danny wrote:Thanks, BGM. Can you please share the Link to this announcement? I have always thought that Shaun Considine's book The Divine Feud, would make a good movie.

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I think this is a series.....
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Re: Davis / Crawford feud new series

PostSat Jan 21, 2017 9:26 pm

Not to nitpick but is it Jessica Lange in the other role? sounds intriguing.
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PostSun Jan 22, 2017 1:24 pm

Here's a link to pictures of the actresses "in character":

http://ew.com/tv/feud-bette-and-joan-fi ... n-crawford
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Re: Davis / Crawford feud new series

PostTue Jan 24, 2017 7:19 pm

Don't know who Sarandon is trying to look like but it's not Bette Davis, and Lange seems to be channeling Faye Dunaway as Joan Crawford more than the original actress. Frankly this "series" sounds like a terrible idea and hate to see two icons who much of the younger public don't know very well portrayed as catty shrews. (And aren't Lange and Sarandon just a little old to be playing Bette and Joan in their early to late fifties?)
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PostFri Jan 27, 2017 11:21 pm

Susan Sarandon looks as though she is playing Elizabeth Wilson, the stage and screen actress whose most high profile role was probably Benjamin's mother in "The Graduate".

And you are quite right, Jessica Lange looks as though she is playing Faye Dunaway playing Joan Crawford in "Mommie Dearest".
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Re: Davis / Crawford feud new series

PostThu Feb 02, 2017 6:32 pm

The whole idea is noxious to me. At this point, whatever actual "feud" occurred between Davis and Crawford has been so blown out of proportion it now seems like a fabricated Jackie Collins novel without the sex. Regardless of how one feels about the ladies, trashing their memory by reducing them to John Waters characters and ignoring their impressive contributions to film history is repulsive. This is how you introduce Bette Davis and Joan Crawford to an entire generation (or two) who have heard of them? Just miserable.
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PostFri Feb 03, 2017 9:55 am

George O'Brien wrote:Susan Sarandon looks as though she is playing Elizabeth Wilson, the stage and screen actress whose most high profile role was probably Benjamin's mother in "The Graduate".

And you are quite right, Jessica Lange looks as though she is playing Faye Dunaway playing Joan Crawford in "Mommie Dearest".


Wilson's biggest role may have been as the mother in Little Murders who joyfully cries out "Come and GET it!" to her family as meals are served in their tiny New York apartment.
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Re: Davis / Crawford feud new series

PostSun Feb 05, 2017 6:40 am

I don't like the sound of this at all.
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PostSun Feb 05, 2017 8:47 pm

Gracious, folks!

Movie stars, who made their bones in the drammers, are not fair game for the same medium?
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PostTue Feb 07, 2017 12:59 pm

drednm wrote:
George O'Brien wrote:Susan Sarandon looks as though she is playing Elizabeth Wilson, the stage and screen actress whose most high profile role was probably Benjamin's mother in "The Graduate".

And you are quite right, Jessica Lange looks as though she is playing Faye Dunaway playing Joan Crawford in "Mommie Dearest".


Wilson's biggest role may have been as the mother in Little Murders who joyfully cries out "Come and GET it!" to her family as meals are served in their tiny New York apartment.


Her most famous role though is probably the older snitch at the office in 9 to 5 always kissing up to boss Dabney Coleman and snooping on the other office staff.
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PostTue Feb 07, 2017 1:03 pm

busby1959 wrote:The whole idea is noxious to me. At this point, whatever actual "feud" occurred between Davis and Crawford has been so blown out of proportion it now seems like a fabricated Jackie Collins novel without the sex. Regardless of how one feels about the ladies, trashing their memory by reducing them to John Waters characters and ignoring their impressive contributions to film history is repulsive. This is how you introduce Bette Davis and Joan Crawford to an entire generation (or two) who have heard of them? Just miserable.


I completely agree with you - this is such a minor chapter in the lives of two iconic stars who frankly most people under 40 don't know much about and now they will see them as old banshees tearing each other apart. Kind of surprised Jessica Lange got involved with this project though not Sarandon since she does commercials (which alone would have made Bette despise her casting) and seems rather desperate for attention (wasn't she also in a reality show a couple years ago?) . And apparently there are EIGHT episodes of this travesty which seems hard to stretch beyond one. They certainly didn't like each other but I think their "feud" was very small potatoes next to the Twitter flame wars of today's "stars".
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Re: Davis / Crawford feud new series

PostTue Feb 07, 2017 2:20 pm

Harlowgold wrote:Kind of surprised Jessica Lange got involved with this project though not Sarandon since she does commercials (which alone would have made Bette despise her casting)




It's a business, and folks there need to make a living like in any business. Neither actors then, nor actors now, were/are demigods!
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PostWed Feb 08, 2017 10:00 am

Remember what happened to Faye Dunaway??!!
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PostMon Feb 13, 2017 11:17 am

wich2 wrote:
Harlowgold wrote:Kind of surprised Jessica Lange got involved with this project though not Sarandon since she does commercials (which alone would have made Bette despise her casting)




It's a business, and folks there need to make a living like in any business. Neither actors then, nor actors now, were/are demigods!


I presumed every one on this board knows in the 1930's stars had no choice in the matter of endorsements and plugs - and they weren't paid either, the studio got the loot. It was all part of the job. When Bette Davis was free to make the decision on her own whether or not to endorse she didn't - neither did Katharine Hepburn and several others. Sarandon is a very well paid film actress who certainly does not need "to make a living" hocking makeup and headache potions. Seems this little radical has more than a seed of capitalism in her when it comes to cushioning her own nest. Bette Davis would have been appalled by her.
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PostMon Feb 13, 2017 1:27 pm

And who forced St. Bette to sully herself shilling booze?

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PostMon Feb 13, 2017 1:57 pm

Lol, well I guess Bette didn't count her photographic image as "selling out". I did know she did the "What Becomes a Legend Most" print ad in the 1970s.
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PostTue Feb 14, 2017 7:15 am

Michael O'Regan wrote:Remember what happened to Faye Dunaway??!!
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Dunaway never recovered from her litigious ways over not getting hired to play Norma Desmond in the musical "Sunset Boulevard." The fact that she couldn't sing seemed beyond her understanding. She sort of disappeared after that. Even her "Master Class" film project with Ken Russell never surfaced.
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PostTue Feb 14, 2017 10:08 am

And, she victimized herself with one of the more frightening plastic surgeries since Jocelyn Wildenstein's.
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PostMon Mar 06, 2017 5:13 pm

drednm wrote:and speaking of Dunaway....

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/o ... ion-972762" target="_blank


Well, we all know how that turned on :roll:

Has anybody watched this? I don't have cable so I don't have access to this show. The new Time gives it a somewhat good review although it gives writer/producer Ryan Murphy a mild slap for feigning sympathy for them while turning them into "Real Housewives" type shrews (and in a note of hypocrisy the article is titled "Bon Fire of the Vain Biddies" or something like that).

Same issue mentions other feuds and gets the Fontaine/De Havilland legend wrong by saying Joan ungraciously declined Liv's congratulations when she won the Oscar over her when of course it was Olivia who snubbed Joan several years later in a year Joan was not nominated.
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Re: Davis / Crawford feud new series

PostTue Mar 07, 2017 9:30 am

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drednm wrote:and speaking of Dunaway....

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/o ... ion-972762" target="_blank" target="_blank


Well, we all know how that turned on :roll:

Has anybody watched this? I don't have cable so I don't have access to this show. The new Time gives it a somewhat good review although it gives writer/producer Ryan Murphy a mild slap for feigning sympathy for them while turning them into "Real Housewives" type shrews (and in a note of hypocrisy the article is titled "Bon Fire of the Vain Biddies" or something like that).

Same issue mentions other feuds and gets the Fontaine/De Havilland legend wrong by saying Joan ungraciously declined Liv's congratulations when she won the Oscar over her when of course it was Olivia who snubbed Joan several years later in a year Joan was not nominated.


I watched it. It's campy, bitchy trash. If that's your cup of hemlock, you'll have a good time. If you want a making-of documentary, you will be disappointed.

Broadway vet Jackie Hoffman is a hoot as Mamacita, Joan's long-time German maid. Kathy Bates is fun in her brief appearance as Joan Blondell. Sarandon is much better than I expected as Bette. The others, including Lange (whose face is all wrong and droopy for Crawford) don't fare as well.

Question - did they film Joan's house scenes at the same locations they filmed MOMMIE DEAREST? (I'm reasonably sure Joan had sold her Brentwood manse and was living full time in NYC by 1960 which makes this doubly anachronistic if it is)
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PostFri May 26, 2017 5:09 pm

Excellent series. Yes, both Susan and Jessica nailed their characterizations of Bette and Joan. What's more, the scripts were fast-paced, entertaining, informative, witty, revealing, and touching. Most remarkable of all are the historical facsimiles [as D. W. Griffith would have called them] from Whatever Happened to Baby Jane and Bette and Joan's tv appearances. Watching all 7 episodes in one viewing is not unlike watching a 3-hour movie.

If you missed it, you can see them online anytime here:
https://watchonline.tube/episode/feud-s01e01/" target="_blank" target="_blank
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PostSun Jun 11, 2017 2:02 pm

I finally got around to watching this series and I really loved it, more than I thought I would. I was hesitant for many reasons, the main one being that I don't usually like when people partially fictionalize stories about famous people, especially ones that I love. In this case, I feel that Joan Crawford is more often than not painted in an ugly light. Lets be honest, in some ways she deserves it. However, she was an INCREDIBLY talents and magnetic performer and I love her dearly, especially in her early 30s movies.

What I loved most about this series was two things. One, the hallucination scene where Joan imagines herself having dinner with Jack Warner, Hedda Hopper, and Bette Davis and they all laugh about the Hollywood game they played. To me, this is the side of Crawford that so few people see or even think about, the fact that she was such a consummate performer that right or wrong, EVERYTHING she did was for her persona. What a lonely life that must have been. What a restricted life. And here we see that she may have wanted to be friends with her co-workers but simply didn't know how to let her guard down. Beautifully done.

Second, and one that I think probably drew Sarandon and Lange to the series, is how adeptly they talk about what it is like for a woman to age in show business. This is a problem that exists today. Women become superfluous once they reach a certain age and the only way they can maintain their careers sometimes is to lower themselves into roles that might not be glamorous or respectable but which will keep them in the money and the limelight. Now hopefully most of them are more financially aware and save for their futures better than they did during the golden age, but it is a temporary career for most. And it is sad to see a star fall from grace.

I read the book about this Feud and I felt that there were more moments of the two women taunting each other on the set that could have been included, but it definitely didn't beat a dead horse. I highly recommend it.
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Re: Davis / Crawford feud new series

PostMon Jun 12, 2017 10:50 am

Thanks. This is next up on my stack of discs to watch. Glad to hear it's worthwhile.
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PostWed Jun 14, 2017 6:36 pm

The BBC here in the UK have bought up the rights to the series, and it is being broadcast over here in the UK later this year on BBC2-HD.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latest ... e-and-joan" target="

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BBC Two has acquired Feud: Bette and Joan, Ryan Murphy's eight-part series about the legendary rivalry between Hollywood icons Bette Davis and Joan Crawford. The series was acquired from 20th Century Fox Television Distribution and will air on BBC Two later in 2017.
Starring Jessica Lange as Joan Crawford and Susan Sarandon as Bette Davis, Feud: Bette and Joan's stellar cast also features Catherine Zeta-Jones as Olivia de Havilland and Kathy Bates as Joan Blondell. The four Academy Award winners are joined by Judy Davis as Hollywood gossip columnist Hedda Hopper, Alfred Molina as director and producer Robert Aldrich, Stanley Tucci as Warner Bros. studio head Jack L. Warner, Jackie Hoffman as Mamacita, Crawford’s housekeeper, and Alison Wright as Pauline, Aldrich’s assistant. The series also stars Dominic Burgess as Crawford and Davis’ co-star Victor Buono, Sarah Paulson as Geraldine Page, and Kiernan Shipka as Bette Davis’ daughter, B.D.

Beginning with Davis and Crawford's collaboration on What Ever Happened To Baby Jane? and continuing long after the cameras stopped rolling, Feud: Bette and Joan explores with great style and wit how the two stars endured ageism, sexism and misogyny while struggling to hang on to success and fame in the twilight of their careers.

Patrick Holland, Controller of BBC Two, says: “Drama on BBC Two has to stand out for its authorship, unique vision and exceptional craft so I am delighted that Ryan Murphy's brilliantly realised series Feud: Bette and Joan is coming to the channel. It features some wonderful performances, a flawless recreation of period and a delicious unravelling of a personal drama that had a massive impact on modern cinema. Feud is a real treat.'

Sue Deeks, BBC Head of Programme Acquisition, says: “BBC Two viewers will relish this critically-acclaimed portrayal of Old Hollywood and a famously combustible yet poignant relationship - it is a zesty cocktail of glamour, wit and grit.”

David Smyth, Senior Vice President and Managing Director, Twentieth Century Fox Television Distribution (TCFTVD) said: “Feud: Bette and Joan is a whip-smart series with fantastic performances by two of today’s greatest performers, which we’re sure will captivate and delight audiences. BBC Two is the perfect home for our next series from creator Ryan Murphy, whose The People vs O.J. Simpson: American Crime Story, just won the BAFTA after airing last year on BBC Two.”

Ryan Murphy serves as Executive Producer along with Executive Producers Tim Minear, Alexis Martin Woodall and Dede Gardner of Brad Pitt’s Plan B Entertainment. The series is produced by Fox 21 Television Studios and distributed by 20th Century Fox Television Distribution
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Re: Davis / Crawford feud new series

PostThu Jun 15, 2017 10:43 am

I screened the first episode last night. It's definitely a cartoon version, not history. But it's fun. Jessica Lange looked kind of odd as Crawford. Her face had an unnatural plastic surgery look that interfered with her facial expressions. Maybe that's the makeup. I'll definitely watch the rest.

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