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Re: Olivia de Havilland is 101 and sues FOX over TV series F

PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:59 pm
by wich2
'Welcome.

The H.G. Wells character, in TIME AFTER TIME:

"Every age is the same. It's only love that makes any of them bearable."

Re: Olivia de Havilland is 101 and sues FOX over TV series F

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:46 am
by maliejandra
bigshot wrote:Fatty Arbuckle sure didn't think the 1920s were so great. And the people in the bread lines in the early 30s would have liked to be anywhere but there.


Minorities probably felt much the same way.

We tend to look at the past through rose colored glasses and ignore the negative things about the times, which is a benefit of being so far removed from them. People often tell me I was born in the wrong era, but would I truly like to go back to a time when women were second class citizens? Heck no!

Re: Olivia de Havilland is 101 and sues FOX over TV series F

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:02 am
by All Darc
In old days man were only "fine class citizens" if they have a cristian believe, patriotic blindness, marriage to get respect in front a hypocrit societ and at same time had to prove virility etc...
Women could get high social ascenssion by marriage, and didn't go to war, were not called lesbian if decide not marry, but for other side have not rights as man.

Women today have rights, but since childhood suffer a cerebral washing from media in order to became erotic and histeric, to feel they need consume more and more to be happy. Women rights must exist, it's logic, but cerebral washing it's often masked as female emancipation.

I see that today people are slaves too, but in dissimulated way. Most don't even realise. It's more a brain slavery...
People consume too much, and the banks ger richer and richer.

maliejandra wrote:
bigshot wrote:Fatty Arbuckle sure didn't think the 1920s were so great. And the people in the bread lines in the early 30s would have liked to be anywhere but there.


Minorities probably felt much the same way.

We tend to look at the past through rose colored glasses and ignore the negative things about the times, which is a benefit of being so far removed from them. People often tell me I was born in the wrong era, but would I truly like to go back to a time when women were second class citizens? Heck no!

Re: Olivia de Havilland is 101 and sues FOX over TV series F

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:03 am
by Frederica
Jim Roots wrote:
Donald Binks wrote:Now, if you will excuse me, I am going back to 1929. I feel a lot more comfortable there. :D


What stocks have you invested in?

Jim


Antibiotics. Birth control. Public health.

Re: Olivia de Havilland is 101 and sues FOX over TV series F

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:20 am
by All Darc
Public Health...
Despite the advances we still have millions of people suffering. Medicine science gave more years of life, but also gave a lot more of invalid years to live, live with pain, disabled etc...

Diabetes it's very high today, depression it's the higher in history... Tuberculosis is coming back stronger, and a super gonorrhea already exist.

But most people of today if went to 20's or 30's would suffer from "digital abistinence syndrome". no TV, no emails, no image banks, no facebook, no cell phone games. :lol:

Re: Olivia de Havilland is 101 and sues FOX over TV series F

PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:08 pm
by George O'Brien
Blah, blah, blah, ... ad nauseam.

Olivia is suing because she is the ONLY one who can.

Joan Crawford, Bette Davis, even their extremely lucrative estates, cannot sue. The women are dead.

According to the sickening man made laws of our courts anything false can be said about a dead person.

Olivia is very much alive. Olivia can sue. And I say, God bless her.

Re: Olivia de Havilland is 101 and sues FOX over TV series F

PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:14 pm
by Jim Roots
Frederica wrote:
Jim Roots wrote:
Donald Binks wrote:Now, if you will excuse me, I am going back to 1929. I feel a lot more comfortable there. :D


What stocks have you invested in?

Jim


Antibiotics. Birth control. Public health.


Excuse me for a minute, I have to go borrow some money from the Bank of Binks.

Jim

Re: Olivia de Havilland is Wanted Dead or Alive

PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:37 pm
by Harlowgold
JFK wrote:
And depicting her giving gossipy interviews to the press isn't something that will damage her career. As for the comments about her sister, that stuff is common knowledge. She can't pretend it didn't exist. Not a chance on this lawsuit
From the Hollywood Reporter
"She's suing for infringement of common law right of publicity, invasion of privacy and unjust enrichment and is asking the court for not only damages but also any profits gained from the use of her likeness and an injunction to keep FX from continuing to use her name and likeness."


How can de Havilland- or more likely, her estate- not win something in a settlement if the studio used her character without payment or permission? When filmmakers obtain neither, they generally substitute a fictitious/composite persona. One of their mistakes may have been not doing so here.

And, as always, I'll go further: if copyright laws can grant protection for 95 years or so, why shouldn't this protection length be granted to the right of publicity of deceased celebrities? Let's say in the year 2112 there is still a market for GWTW "Melanie" dolls, or "Snake Pit" action figures- shouldn't her estate, even at that late date, be able to win damages if the manufacturing of the dolls, if not the action figures, is decreased by false portrayals of Olivia as a gossip?


Olivia of course does have the right to control her image when used on new commercial products - about twenty years ago she declined to give her approval for the "non sports card" collector's card set issued on GWTW which resulted in not one photograph of "Melanie" on any of the 110 cards in the series. Her estate will still have the right to block similiar licensing after her death.

I was surprised with the decision to use her as a character in this Feud travesty especially given it's quite a stretch to claim she was any sort of an intimate with Crawford and perhaps even Davis (yes they were publicized as pals and did along well but really how much socializing was there, especially with Olivia far from the Hollywood scene by the early 50's) while every other star was dead and buried and Ryan Murphy could put out speculation and conjecture to his heart's content on them. I'm not surprised Olivia has spoken out and expressed her disapproval, this is the gal who took on Jack Warner, she certainly won't be a pushover for Fox and Murphy, even at 101.

Re: Olivia de Havilland is 101 and sues FOX over TV series F

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:56 am
by bigshot
Merchandising rights are different than using a public figure in a film.

Re: Olivia de Havilland is 101 and sues FOX over TV series F

PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:08 am
by Changsham
Here is a nice article on Ms De Havilland regarding her suit. She looks amazing for her age.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/03/styl ... v=top-news" target="_blank

Re: Olivia de Havilland is 101 and sues FOX over TV series F

PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:32 pm
by George O'Brien
FX lawyers have gone to the lengths of digging up De havilland's using an oath in a blooper outtake from "Devotion"(1946, but filmed earlier ?


There's a world of difference between saying " ... son a bitch" when one flubs a line while filming a movie, (moreover, actually denigrating one's self) and maligning one's sister in public as "a bitch".

Re: Olivia de Havilland is 101 and sues FOX over TV series F

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:38 am
by wich2
There is.

But there's also the plain fact exhibited there, that the word has crossed her mouth.

This is sad. At this point in her life, she should have greater concerns.

Re: Olivia de Havilland is 101 and sues FOX over TV series F

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:01 am
by boblipton
Miss De Haviland's suit has been tossed out on 1st Amendment Grounds.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/m ... -amendment

Bob

Re: Olivia de Havilland is 101 and sues FOX over TV series F

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:01 am
by maliejandra
Good, I think they made the right decision. Can you imagine what would happen to political cartoons if the subjects could sue the artists for portraying them in a bad light?

Re: Olivia de Havilland is 101 and sues FOX over TV series F

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:27 am
by wich2
Exactly, maliejandra.

She should have known better, she had no real case, and so she lost.

-Craig

Re: Olivia de Havilland is 101 and sues FOX over TV series F

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:57 pm
by Harlowgold
maliejandra wrote:Good, I think they made the right decision. Can you imagine what would happen to political cartoons if the subjects could sue the artists for portraying them in a bad light?


I have to disagree, there's a big difference in my eyes between a politicial cartoon (which is both satire and opinion) and putting a living person in your dramatic work as a character and making them express opinions they never did or behave in ways that they didn't.

Never been much of a fan of Olivia's - she always came across a little too much the unapproachable grande dame to me, never a "Livy" always a "Miss De Havilland"- but I'm on her side in this, I don't feel it's right to just use a living human being and portray them without regard to accuracy in a film.

Re: Olivia de Havilland is 101 and sues FOX over TV series F

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:17 pm
by boblipton
My sympathies are with Miss de Haviland in this matter also. However, when it comes to issues of law, sometimes there are bigger issues at stake, and this is one of those cases. Non-Americans don't understand our fierce adherence to freedom of expression. Indeed, a lot of Americans don't understand it either, or why it is a necessity.

Bob