The Dam Bursts: War Officially Declared on Classic Film

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Re: The Dam Bursts: War Officially Declared on Classic Film

PostSat Sep 09, 2017 3:13 pm

earlytalkiebuffRob wrote:
Donald Binks wrote:
I think that indigenous folk were treated in much the same way throughout the Empire. Right up until the 1970's Aboriginal children in Australia were separated from their families and fostered by whites in order to better assimilate them.

The nation has formally apologised in the last few years.

You might get some idea of what it was all about from the film "The Rabbit Proof Fence" which came out a few years back.

(At the moment the national day - "Australia Day" on 26th January is being lambasted because it is seen as "Invasion Day". Recently statues of Captain Cook have been defaced. Whilst we can acknowledge now in hindsight that evils and wrongs were done in the past, I believe we all just have to now muck in and get on with things the best way we can. )


We had some of this nonsense over here in England with regard to a statue or bust of Cecil Rhodes, which had started to 'cause offence' after umpteen years in situ. Of course all that was needed was for those offended to either avoid the thing, or to break wind (not easy to do on cue), cock a snook or to deliver a hearty Bronx Cheer when passing it...


to some Rhodes stands for taking the wealth(diamonds) out of S. Africa without much benefit to the South Africans. Wasn't the ??Kapoor Diamond taken from India during the Raj colonial regime to be placed in Queen Victoria's tiara, and was later recently returned to India? As for Captain Cook, some now refer to him as Captain Crook, but Mutiny on the Bounty is still a good film, I watched it a couple of years ago. History isn't always pretty, but we should learn from it.

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Re: The Dam Bursts: War Officially Declared on Classic Film

PostSat Sep 09, 2017 5:17 pm

Not to be too pedantic, but it was the Koh-i-noor Diamond and it was not returned as the decision was that it was not stolen but gifted to Queen Victoria. Also Mutiny on the Bounty is about Captain Bligh not Captain Cook -- but other than that, I agree with your points.
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Re: The Dam Bursts: War Officially Declared on Classic Film

PostSat Sep 09, 2017 5:36 pm

I like the way that history goes around in circles. When I went to school and "did learning" we gloried in the wonderful exploits of those who "opened up" the Empire. Now the young 'uns are taught that everything has got the footrot in that department. I wonder if I shall live long enough for the circle to turn again? (Watching the films of the 1930's one gets to see the old outlook personified).
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Re: The Dam Bursts: War Officially Declared on Classic Film

PostSun Sep 10, 2017 11:00 am

Reminds me of when some of the older cartoons from the 1940's and early 1950's were criticized for their portrayal of minorities.

One of the best IMHO and funniest was Tex Avery's "Magical Maestro" for MGM (which also showed the Tom and Jerry cartoons) which was sliced to ribbons not only by critics but also Ted Turner when he used to show it on his Cartoon Network. The one where the two dogs are in a theatre, one is a conductor, the other an opera singer, involves everything from blackface, to Asians, hicks, and islanders. One of the funniest cartoons I have ever seen in my entire life. But that one, like "Gone With the Wind", will weather whatever the political climate is.
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Re: The Dam Bursts: War Officially Declared on Classic Film

PostSun Sep 10, 2017 7:38 pm

I always looked at Magical Maestro as a ribbing
of snotty opera culture of the time. Tex Avery
puts on an opera stage caricatures performing low brow
music that a typical opera patron of the time would look
down upon. You don't really have to go back to the 1940's
and 1950's for politically incorrect material. Try watching
a Dean Martin Roast from the late 1970's and early 1980's.
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Re: The Dam Bursts: War Officially Declared on Classic Film

PostMon Sep 11, 2017 10:25 am

sepiatone wrote:to some Rhodes stands for taking the wealth(diamonds) out of S. Africa without much benefit to the South Africans. Wasn't the ??Kapoor Diamond taken from India during the Raj colonial regime to be placed in Queen Victoria's tiara, and was later recently returned to India? As for Captain Cook, some now refer to him as Captain Crook, but Mutiny on the Bounty is still a good film, I watched it a couple of years ago. History isn't always pretty, but we should learn from it.

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Re: The Dam Bursts: War Officially Declared on Classic Film

PostMon Sep 11, 2017 1:54 pm

Spiny Norman wrote:
earlytalkiebuffRob wrote:And talking of foxes, I'd better go out and feed the little blighter!
Oh, I thought you were going to say "...and guard the henhouse."...


...which brings up the old chestnut:

Nosey neighbour: " I say, Brown, I hear your wife's not too well these days."

Nervous, harried, irritable husband (in garden, doing carpentry): "Yes, she's in bed at the moment."

Neighbour (cupping ear): "Is that her coughin'?"

Husband: "No you fool - it's a henhouse!"

Not sure how old that one is, probably 1932 at latest...
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