KING OF JAZZ on DVD or BluRay

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Re: KING OF JAZZ on DVD or BluRay

PostWed Nov 01, 2017 10:34 am

My experience is that blu-ray players are better at playing CDs and DVDs and recordable media than older dedicated CD and DVD players. I have a blu-ray drive connected to my computer and it rips CDs MUCH faster than my old DVD drive did, and with fewer errors. Blu-ray players and modern flat screen TVs are cheap enough, there's no reason to hang on to old analogue equipment. Thrift stores are the place for that.
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PostWed Nov 01, 2017 12:23 pm

I need a blu-ray player that also plays laserdiscs. Any leads? :D
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Re: KING OF JAZZ on DVD or BluRay

PostWed Nov 01, 2017 12:59 pm

I think at this point people need to get with the times and make the upgrade to Blu-Ray and a system with HDMI input. You're really missing out and doing yourself a disservice. And you'll always be able to get some kind of converter that will allow you to use your analog product. I have one of the lower-end Epson projectors and am able to run Blu-Ray, region-free DVD, VHS, and laserdisc just fine.
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Re: KING OF JAZZ on DVD or BluRay

PostWed Nov 01, 2017 1:23 pm

Thad Komorowski wrote:I think at this point people need to get with the times and make the upgrade to Blu-Ray and a system with HDMI input. You're really missing out and doing yourself a disservice. And you'll always be able to get some kind of converter that will allow you to use your analog product. I have one of the lower-end Epson projectors and am able to run Blu-Ray, region-free DVD, VHS, and laserdisc just fine.


I have a recommendation too! I think we all should save our pennies and buy a picture theatre - preferably one that still has a Wurlitzer organ in it (for the silents)!

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Re: KING OF JAZZ on DVD or BluRay

PostWed Nov 01, 2017 2:15 pm

I've got room for a Wurlitzer organ in my home theater if anyone has one to spare (and can play it! I can't.)
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Re: KING OF JAZZ on DVD or BluRay

PostThu Nov 02, 2017 6:06 am

Thad Komorowski wrote:I think at this point people need to get with the times and make the upgrade to Blu-Ray and a system with HDMI input.

And while you're at it, try and find a blu-ray player that can be adjusted to play discs from all regions, in case something special comes out overseas that you can't see at home. You can go cheap and get something like a Seiki for under $100, or go large and buy an Oppo, which is a top of the line blu-ray/DVD/CD/SACD/HDCD/DVD-A player.
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PostThu Nov 02, 2017 6:07 am

I'll bring the popcorn!

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PostThu Nov 02, 2017 8:04 am

Sounds like sour grapes. For $60 I bought an upgrade kit which made my Oppo BDP-103 3D blu-ray player region-free. On my big-screen TV the difference between DVD and Blu-ray is palpable, however on my smaller flat panels not so much.
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Re: KING OF JAZZ on DVD or BluRay

PostThu Nov 02, 2017 9:08 am

Donald Binks wrote:
Thad Komorowski wrote:I think at this point people need to get with the times and make the upgrade to Blu-Ray and a system with HDMI input.


I have a recommendation too! I think we all should save our pennies and buy a picture theatre - preferably one that still has a Wurlitzer organ in it (for the silents)!
:D


(The respective costs for the two choices are VASTLY different!)
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Re: KING OF JAZZ on DVD or BluRay

PostThu Nov 02, 2017 10:11 am

wich2 wrote:
Donald Binks wrote:
Thad Komorowski wrote:I think at this point people need to get with the times and make the upgrade to Blu-Ray and a system with HDMI input.


I have a recommendation too! I think we all should save our pennies and buy a picture theatre - preferably one that still has a Wurlitzer organ in it (for the silents)!
:D


(The respective costs for the two choices are VASTLY different!)


Seriously. This Epson retails for about $300 (I got it for $100 at an auction), and the Blu-Ray player was I think $80? Comparing that to ye olden days, that's getting worlds better quality for very little.
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Re: KING OF JAZZ on DVD or BluRay

PostTue Nov 07, 2017 1:44 pm

I've never had a DVD amongst my many thousands that wouldn't play in a Blu-ray player, though I have a few Blu-ray discs that won't play in a Blu-ray player; the format was rushed to market to compete with HD DVD and it never really got its requirements down.

Back to KING OF JAZZ, I'd love a Blu-ray of it; when the restoration played here at the local film festival the tickets sold out so fast I didn't manage to get one.

If not for Paul Whiteman, there'd be no Rhapsody in Blue, and Gershwin's career might well have stayed in the musical theatre realm instead of venturing into classical music.
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Re: KING OF JAZZ on DVD or BluRay

PostTue Nov 07, 2017 5:23 pm

Part of the appeal of blu-ray to rights owners is the ability to update encryption standards. This means that if you have an older player, it's possible that a newer disc might have encryption that is unreadable to the old player. The solution to that is to update the firmware in the player by connecting it to the internet and downloading the update from the manufacturer's site. My Oppo updates firmware automatically.
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PostMon Dec 04, 2017 9:35 am

A 16mm print (reduction from nitrate) just sold on eBay for over $1,600.
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Re: KING OF JAZZ on DVD or BluRay

PostMon Feb 12, 2018 1:08 am

May be old news to you guys but Criterion BluRay of "The King of Jazz" is to be released on March 27th I'm in :D

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=22591
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PostMon Feb 12, 2018 7:48 am

That news never gets old! :D
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Re: KING OF JAZZ on DVD or BluRay

PostWed Feb 21, 2018 7:53 pm

OOPS... I posted that same thing in the other thread.

I will repeat my comment, if you allow me:

Impressive. We never saw a two color technicolor production looking this good on video. The Black Pirate was almost ok, but they choosed a too pale color balance instead of the nice csatured colors from mthe DVD edition.

There is camera negative scans, and probably two qualites of 2 color technicolor prints used as source for the restoration, one looking better than the other.
The camera negative portions looks very good, without color bleeding, and sharp, considering optical losses of very early technicolor camera lenses and prisms. The prints look like wasn't realighned for the color channels fit better in each other.
Despite the technicolor prints itself have film strips glued together, the color channel can be realigned digitally for better precision than was possible to get with the early technicolor prints technolog. The camera negatives for two color technicolor have one single strip, but recordsimultaneously two frames, one for each color frame, one above the other.

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The screen capture of the two dancers together looks so good that it's like some scene took from the film The Aviator.


Harold Aherne wrote:A review and screen captures:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film6/dvd_reviews_67/king_of_jazz_blu-ray.htm

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Re: KING OF JAZZ on DVD or BluRay

PostFri Feb 23, 2018 3:25 am

Is the surviving Vitaphone soundtrack to the 12 minutes of lost footage included? I was very interested in hearing the lost musical number with Grace Hayes singing "My Lover" and the Specialty number featuring Nell O'Day....

Only about 5 minutes of additional footage was found that differs from the 1933 VHS version....All of it being comedy material....
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Re: KING OF JAZZ on DVD or BluRay

PostFri Feb 23, 2018 6:13 am

The Criterion Website have clip for Rhapsody in Blue have a shortbeginning that look like coming from a 16mm print.
Is that really a 16mm print for the short beginning introduction ?

https://www.criterion.com/films/29389-king-of-jazz" target="_blank

Despite the inferior print quality, the restorers were careful to performe a very good color balance and a perfect digital clean-up of dirty and scratches.
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Re: KING OF JAZZ on DVD or BluRay

PostFri Feb 23, 2018 7:56 am

Salvedinus, the MY LOVER Grace Hayes and O'Neil sequences were never in the released 1930 KING OF JAZZ. They were filmed but like a number of other sequences, they never appeared in the finished film. As such, there would not be any soundtracks material for these.

The 1933 reissue (on VHS) ran a little over an hour and included several of the comedy scenes filmed for, but not used, in the 1930 original release.

The restoration runs almost 100 minutes and is missing nothing that survives. There are several brief sections for which picture was missing but soundtrack was used.

I would strongly recommend that anyone getting the home video release of KOJ purchase the superb Layton and Pierce book on the making and restoration of KING OF JAZZ. There is an entire chapter just on cut, filmed and planned sequences. The book can still be ordered here:

http://kingofjazzbook.com

It is a perfect companion to the film.
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Re: KING OF JAZZ on DVD or BluRay

PostFri Feb 23, 2018 8:35 am

I strongly concur with Vitaphone on the Layton/Pierce book. It's the finest, most detailed book on a single film I've ever seen.

Concerning the opening section of Rhapsody In Blue. That and a number of other sections are from an original 35mm nitrate print. The nitrate was used in instances where particular sections were missing from the camera negative. Those sections will appear just a bit soft compared to the sections where the negative was used. Technicolor prints had a tendency to be a bit soft due to the printing process. That said, Universal's restoration team did a fantastic job of matching the materials.
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