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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostThu Jan 09, 2014 6:25 pm

drednm wrote:Fell free to post the link wherever you think it might do some good..... we're at $841 at this point.... and THANKS

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Thank you, Ed. Getting these old movies out is like the weather. Too much talk, not enough doing.

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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostThu Jan 09, 2014 7:00 pm

Getting these old movies out is like the weather. Too much talk, not enough doing.


Rather mouthwatering thinking of the films that could be got.......
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostThu Jan 09, 2014 9:30 pm

Just thinking ahead, Ed - do you happen to know whether any of the pre-1923 Talmadge films (both sisters) are possible, or do they have donor restrictions?
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostThu Jan 09, 2014 11:27 pm

You have my pledge as well.
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 5:08 am

Danny Burk wrote:Just thinking ahead, Ed - do you happen to know whether any of the pre-1923 Talmadge films (both sisters) are possible, or do they have donor restrictions?


When I spoke with Joe Yransky (sp?) about making a copy of a Norma Talmadge film about eight years ago, he indicated that anything given to the Library of Congress by the Douris Corporation had donor restrictions.

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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 6:26 am

The only sure way to know is to contact Rosemary Hanes at LOC at [email protected] for information on specific films that might not be in the general catalog listing.
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 7:13 am

So if I'm understand Jerry's note, we have 3 choice:

plain DVD copy of the film at 113 minutes

HDCAM cassette at 94 minutes

HD on external drive at 75 minutes

I would opt for the HD external drive but it's recorded at 24fps (sound speed). And that's a 40-minute difference in running time from the straight copy to DVD. And the HD cassette product is somewhere in the middle.

I'm told the film ran about 90 minutes at festivals, so I would assume it was a version of the 2nd option....

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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 7:31 am

1: I presume that the image quality is about the same in all three versions.
2: I would suggest that the version which is more easily edited would be the best version, so that people could add scores, lengthen and replace titles and clean up images.
3: While most people can handle dvds and depending on the connection (USB?), external drives, cassettes may be an issue.

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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 8:37 am

Bob I wouldn't send out cassettes. I'd make DVDs to mail.
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 10:09 am

$1,100
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 11:05 am

HDCAM cassette is a pro format like digibeta, only it's for HD. It is not at all like a VHS.

The image quality is going to be the same no matter which option you choose:
- If LoC is delivering you a DVD, they're making it off their HD transfer.
- If LoC is delivering you an HD file, you'll be making a DVD off the HD transfer.

When LoC transfers something, it gets done in the high-end format...not just the format that's been ordered.

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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 11:18 am

Thanks Ben.....
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 12:36 pm

Ben,

I'm not sure exactly what you mean when you state:

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The image quality is going to be the same no matter which option you choose:
- If LoC is delivering you a DVD, they're making it off their HD transfer.
- If LoC is delivering you an HD file, you'll be making a DVD off the HD transfer. /quote]

If you order the DVD you end up with a format that is standard definition 480 interlaced-lines of resolution. If you order the HD option you end up with an uncompressed file at 1080 lines of resolution. The fact that you choose to then take that HD file and make it into a standard DVD is irrelevant. You would still have the 1080p file at your disposal to manipulate in any way you saw fit (add audio, change frame rate, etc.). You also have the option of leaving any manipulated file in the high definition domain (1080p) for use with HD playback. Basically, the HD choice gives you more options down the road -- standard definition or high definition.

You're definitely correct that HDCAM is a professional format. I'm not sure how easy that would be to work with. An HD file on a hard drive however, can be manipulated by anyone with a computer and the proper software.

Keep in mind that I have only used Final Cut Pro at it's most basic level. I am definitely not a professional user. But I did read somewhere that you can create projects in FCP and alter the frame rate from as low as 1 fps up to 1200 fps. So I would think that the frame rate of the file given to Ed by the LoC (24fps) would not be set in stone, but rather changeable with FCP and a suitably powerful computer.

Maybe someone with more FCP knowledge could chime in on this subject.
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 12:48 pm

Tried to call Jerry today but he was out of office.... the HD on external drive is looking like the best bet for the money and will satisfy most donors and especially those who will want to gussy up the film.
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Kickstarter Projects #1: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 1:56 pm

I will likely revise, or maybe even delete this, as it is being written while I’m very sleepy
(and, even when clear-headed, my business-skills are far from Madoff-ian).


1. Thanks and congratulations to the newest silent film mogul, Edward Lorusso
2. If Enchantment funds in 4 days, and other fundings could occur as speedily,
“The Belgrade Film Company”- or its successor- would be able to
offer 91.25 features, or shorts collections, on its annual release schedule.
Or, slightly more realistically, why not 52 offerings a year, with one a week?

3. But that would require a minimum outlay of
$118,625.00 (for 91.25 films) or
$67,600 (for 52 films)…
and, with a $25 minimum for a project membership,
each of the 52 subscribers to a 91.25 film release schedule would pay $ 2,281.25 per annum, or
each of the 52 subscribers to a 52 film release schedule would pay $1,300.00 yearly.

4. So, for a splendid movement like this to continue with other film rescues,
the “membership” pool must be vastly increased so that
a.) There’d always be at least 52 people to draw upon for the $25 per any given project,
Or so that (Ignoring for the moment fixed DVD and postal/streaming costs)
b.) On certain projects, participation could be expanded to 104 people (or more)
and individual funding on such releases could be halved to $12.50 (or less)


But for now, hooray, and what will the next films be?



http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1079843982/enchantment-1921
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 2:41 pm

LOL..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

$1,175 in 2 days.... NOT BAD, FOLKS!!

I would love to seek other "buffs" start similar campaigns for films they would like to "rescue" from LOC or any other archive that sells....

Several films I'd love to get from LOC are, unfortunately post-1923, and the copyright search may be a daunting task. I've never done one and have no idea just how thorough one must be to satisfy LOC.
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 4:11 pm

Only 75 bucks to go!!!

Might happen tonight. :D
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 4:51 pm

Just pledged $25 and got it to break the minimum goal!
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 5:20 pm

:!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

We made it!
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PostFri Jan 10, 2014 5:27 pm

Congrats Ed!!
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 5:33 pm

Congratulations Ed!
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 6:06 pm

I have no idea what happens next..... looks like they "fund" on Feb 7.

On Monday I'll call Jerry at LOC and get a few questions answered.

A very heart-felt thank you to you all..... I'm really just about speechless.....
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921 FUNDED!

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 9:30 pm

Congratulations! You can count me in too.
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921 FUNDED!

PostFri Jan 10, 2014 9:54 pm

Congratulations Ed!
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921 FUNDED!

PostSat Jan 11, 2014 2:02 am

Congratulations, Ed! My $25 is in . . .
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921

PostSat Jan 11, 2014 3:25 am

drednm wrote:Tried to call Jerry today but he was out of office.... the HD on external drive is looking like the best bet for the money and will satisfy most donors and especially those who will want to gussy up the film.


Ed,

:? Just a word of caution. That sounds great and all in theory, but what is your total drive capacity? Are you sure you have amble drive space for an HD copy in one of these Pro Formats like HDCAM , DIGI-BATA, or HD on External Drive? The HD copy may well take up more space then your entire hard-drive does? In addition, do you have software that will handle and or convert those type of formats? You might be able to read it, but not burn it? So be sure to find out how many gig we are talking about here. You may well have to invest in a 2 or 3 Terabyte portable drive. And even that might not cut it. You might have to have a 2 or 3 Terabyte internal drive as well in order to have enough space for those formats. Be sure to find out how many Gig we are talking about here before you settle on the format you get this in from the LOC. I doubt rather it will be recorded in AVI or MPEG 4. So it's apt to take up allot of room. If so, even with a Dual-layer DVD_R, you won't have enough space to burn this without converting it to something you can use first. The file could be way to large. I've run into this type of thing many times.

Also if your computer gets down to around 15% free space remaining, windows will not even run. Thus It may not be feasible for you to get this in a pro format.
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921 FUNDED!

PostSat Jan 11, 2014 5:03 am

I pledged $26 and would be interested in a copy of that hard drive if you go that route. I can send a blank one, if possible.
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921 FUNDED!

PostSat Jan 11, 2014 7:28 am

Jeff, good questions. If all I'm doing is copying HD video files in ProRes:

Can I make copies from ProRes 422 HQ on a PC (it looks like a Mac software)?

Will I need to convert these files to AVI, MPEG ot some other DVD format?

Do I have to move the file from the external drive to my PC (is space an issue)?

Any other issues I might face with my PC?
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921 FUNDED!

PostSat Jan 11, 2014 10:45 am

Ed,

:? Another problem is that even if the file is a certain size, it may read with your burning software at twice or even three times the size as the normal register. Some sort of a compression anomaly that I have experienced frequently in the past. Now with the right updates or patches this may not be an issue, but I've never discovered just exactly what those updates were?
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Re: Kickstarter Project: ENCHANTMENT 1921 FUNDED!

PostSat Jan 11, 2014 11:10 am

drednm wrote:Jeff, good questions. If all I'm doing is copying HD video files in ProRes:

Can I make copies from ProRes 422 HQ on a PC (it looks like a Mac software)?

Will I need to convert these files to AVI, MPEG ot some other DVD format?

Do I have to move the file from the external drive to my PC (is space an issue)?

Any other issues I might face with my PC?

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