High Society vs Robin and the Seven Hoods

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High Society vs Robin and the Seven Hoods

PostThu Jan 11, 2018 2:45 am

Hello, all! It's been a bit since I've posted. I hope everyone had a wonderful holiday season! :D

So, the only Bing films my boyfriend has seen are White Christmas (yearly) and Blue Skies. To my knowledge, he's never seen a Frank film at all *gasp!*. Since both are my favorite pop singers ever, I thought it would be fun to show him one of the two films they're both in!

So, which one of these films do you prefer and why? Which is a better starter film?

High Society has that gorgeous Cole Porter music, but the plot he may find dull as he's not a classic film boy at all [Don't worry, I'm rapidly trying to convert him.]. Not a whole lot happens. Haha. This feels like Bing's film with Frank tagging along.

I feel like 'Robin' has more highs and lows plot- and music-wise, but it's more exciting and you get all of the interesting Rat Pack members. To me, there's always a slightly dingy, depressing feeling the film has for me, being the last Rat Pack film and right on the cusp of when musicals stopped being lucrative. It definitely feels like Frank's film costarring Bing.

What's your opinion, folks?
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Re: High Society vs Robin and the Seven Hoods

PostThu Jan 11, 2018 4:39 am

I think both films feel sodden and a bit draggy. Love the Cole Porter music in High Society, love Armstrong, but everyone feels a little too desperate. Perhaps it's appropriate for the era, but ...

As for Robin and the Seven Hoods, it's got one great song ("My Kind of Town") and then it's like someone got an idea while they were drunk and when they sobered up, didn't think better of it.

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Re: High Society vs Robin and the Seven Hoods

PostThu Jan 11, 2018 8:14 am

Robin has a great Sammy Davis Jr. dance number, and I can watch Peter Falk in anything. And Dean sings a tune called Mr. Booze. But why is this movie over two hours long? Ocean's 11 had the same problem, I guess so everybody could get a chance to shine, but still.

High Society has Satchmo and Grace Kelly going for it (I went through a bit of a GK phase after seeing Rear Window in the theatre when they did those initial Hitchcock reissues). I do like the musical numbers, but not so much the business in-between, when you start thinking how you wish you were watching Cary Grant and Katherine Hepburn instead.
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Re: High Society vs Robin and the Seven Hoods

PostThu Jan 11, 2018 8:29 am

Robin and the Seven Hoods is a great advertisement for Peter Falk's ability to steal a movie from the entire Rat Pack. He's hilarious, the rest is kind of lazy (true of all the Rat Pack movies if you ask me).

The hard thing with Bing is seeing past the easy listening music act of an old man in the 1950s and 1960s and seeing why he came off like a cool hipster when he first became a star. For me the best example of Bing's insouciance is in The Road to Morocco. "I'm marrying the princess, see. Wednesday night!" "Darn, and I'll be listening to Hobby Lobby."
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Re: High Society vs Robin and the Seven Hoods

PostThu Jan 11, 2018 12:35 pm

Sooooo, everyone feels like both movies low-key suck? ;) Which movie do you all feel would be a better fit for a relative newbie?
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Re: High Society vs Robin and the Seven Hoods

PostThu Jan 11, 2018 5:31 pm

Seems to me if he watches White Christmas yearly, High Society shouldn't be too much of a stretch for him, despite it's somewhat leisurely pace. I've actually seen it more often than The Philadelphia Story.

And if he doesn't instantly love Celeste Holm, throw him back and find someone else.
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Re: High Society vs Robin and the Seven Hoods

PostThu Jan 11, 2018 6:20 pm

Robert has a point about High Society, Chris. The movie lumbers along between the musical interludes, but whoo, how can you pass up Sinatra and Crosby having the time of their lives on "Well Did You Evah?" And of course "True Love," "Now You Has Jazz," and "Who Wants to be a Millionaire?" aren't far behind.

If you want an altogether fun film with Sinatra, though, there's always On the Town. No Crosby, but hey: Gene Kelly, Ann Miller, and a host of wonderful songs aren't bad compensation!
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PostThu Jan 11, 2018 6:54 pm

Another plus High Society has over White Christmas (which I love, by the way) - there isn't a single song in High Society as wonderfully awful as "What Can You Do With A General ?" .
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Re: High Society vs Robin and the Seven Hoods

PostThu Jan 11, 2018 9:42 pm

I like ROBIN AND THE SEVEN HOODS if only for teaching me the word "schmendrick". I definitely prefer it to HIGH SOCIETY as a picture, though the latter has better songs. Both were directed artlessly and SOCIETY is a very pale shadow of THE PHILADELPHIA STORY. And I love how Frank and Dean gave Bing his head in "Style".

On the plus side for HIGH SOCIETY - my wife and I sang "True Love" at our wedding.
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Re: High Society vs Robin and the Seven Hoods

PostThu Jan 11, 2018 9:53 pm

Irving Berlin was a wonderful songwriter, but some of his lyrics need to be left untranslated in the original Schmendrick.
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Re: High Society vs Robin and the Seven Hoods

PostFri Jan 12, 2018 11:30 am

Mike Gebert wrote:Irving Berlin was a wonderful songwriter, but some of his lyrics need to be left untranslated in the original Schmendrick.


Put me down for HIGH SOCIETY. If your bf doesn't warm to THE PHILADELPHIA STORY in any of its forms, he'll never come to like vintage film.

I think part of the problem with ROBIN is that it was in production when JFK was assassinated - and Sinatra was very close to the Kennedys. That said, I love "Style."
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Re: High Society vs Robin and the Seven Hoods

PostFri Jan 12, 2018 12:02 pm

ChrisStockslager wrote:Sooooo, everyone feels like both movies low-key suck? ;) Which movie do you all feel would be a better fit for a relative newbie?

Not at all! I own video copies and the original soundtrack LPs for both. Both have their charms, but neither would be a starting point for anyone who doesn't absolutely love musicals in general or the stars involved.
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Re: High Society vs Robin and the Seven Hoods

PostSat Jan 13, 2018 4:59 pm

Wait a minute. You're gay, and you want to introduce your lover to classic films, and you're wondering whether he'll go for HIGH SOCIETY or ROBIN AND THE SEVEN HOODS?

HIGH SOCIETY, hands down.

It's about a wedding. There is Princess Grace, at her archest. And never more beautiful. There are gowns, to ooh and aah over. The songs are by Cole Porter, a gay icon. Since you are in a relationship, you can sing along to "True Love", and you can laugh along with Bing and Frank as they camp it up to "Well, Did You Evah?" The woman who plays Grace's mother might as well have been Cyril Ritchard in drag.

HIGH SOCIETY, undoubtedly.
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