"THE BATTLE OF THE CENTURY" ON DVD?

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"THE BATTLE OF THE CENTURY" ON DVD?

Unread post by martin arias » Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:39 am

Anyone knows if this is going to happen anytime soon? It's been now more than a year since its discovery, and there are no release announcements of the nearly complete version on DVD or Blu-Ray anywhere!

Someone knows something?

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Unread post by LouieD » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:11 pm

Patience. It took over 85 years to find the second reel.

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Unread post by BenModel » Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:29 pm

…and it's under copyright.
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Re: "THE BATTLE OF THE CENTURY" ON DVD?

Unread post by R. Cat » Mon Dec 26, 2016 2:36 pm

BenModel wrote:…and it's under copyright.
Good point. Being under copyright may be good news though. Instead of a public domain release we may eventually be treated to a licensed 2k mastered collection of early Laurel & Hardy films on BD with rediscovered and restored Battle of the Century as centerpiece. There should be enough collector interest in a well promoted release of this stature to warrant it.

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Unread post by bigshot » Mon Dec 26, 2016 2:59 pm

They haven't even released the sound L&H shorts on blu-ray. I wouldn't hold my breath for silent ones.

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Unread post by martin arias » Mon Dec 26, 2016 3:05 pm

I don't think I'll be able to wait another 85 years to watch it!

There was also a complete print of Charley Chase's THE WAY OF ALL PANTS over there, and no news at all of anyone attempting to release it.


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Unread post by R. Cat » Mon Dec 26, 2016 3:46 pm

bigshot wrote:They haven't even released the sound L&H shorts on blu-ray. I wouldn't hold my breath for silent ones.
Noted, although BD is starting to look like the go-to medium for compilations as we're in a period of transition between DVD, BD and digital downloads. For collectors, the sell through market has gradually tipped toward BD as players are now as dirt cheap as DVD players ...and BD players are backwards compatible. BD also gives the rights holder some promotional advantage as well if the titles haven't been legitimately released before (no double dipping).

You are correct that the sound shorts haven't been officially released. There are gray market releases, but print to print quality varies significantly with little if any restoration.

Hopefully the Hal Roach Studio rights will be in one place to make licensing a little easier. Now, if only there was a Laurel & Hardy biographical film in the works ...like Chaplin's... it would move things along very nicely.

You're right of course, holding one's breath won't make any of this happen.

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Unread post by Salty Dog » Mon Dec 26, 2016 3:59 pm

The sounds shorts came out in a great box set in the USA a couple of years ago, though admittedly DVD, not Blu Ray. Unfortunately, the rights owners to the silent shorts are not the same as the talkie films, which is why in the USA in VHS and early DVD days, it was easier to find the silent films than the talkies, but now that's reversed.
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Unread post by Little Caesar » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:20 pm

The US home video rights to the L&H silent catalog are held by Corinth films. I actually posted a query on the firm's facebook wall sometime last year (before the rediscovery of the second reel) and received this honest, but still disappointing response:

We do have the rights, but it is a huge financial endeavor to restore and remaster the silent collection and make a Blu-ray/DVD box set. We had a deal in place to sublicense said endeavor to a bigger company that specializes in such things, but the deal fell apart at the last minute. We have to be very careful about what we invest our financial resources in at this point, so unfortunately we'll have to put this on the back burner for a while. We are ALWAYS open to the possibility of sublicensing the rights to a company that is in a position to undertake this project and benefit from it. In the meantime, let me know if you'd be interested in receiving our home video catalog. We have some really neat stuff coming up.
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Unread post by R. Cat » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:08 am

Salty Dog wrote:The sounds shorts came out in a great box set in the USA a couple of years ago, though admittedly DVD, not Blu Ray. Unfortunately, the rights owners to the silent shorts are not the same as the talkie films, which is why in the USA in VHS and early DVD days, it was easier to find the silent films than the talkies, but now that's reversed.
You're correct about the DVD set and RHI Entertainment is indeed legit. The source print quality is inconsistent, but overall it's a great set. I need to watch these again. Haven't seen any Blu-Ray availability yet. It would be nice to see this set upgraded.

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Unread post by Little Caesar » Tue May 02, 2017 8:10 pm

I have no idea if this portends a home video release of any sort, but Criterion has posted a clip of the rediscovered second reel of The Battle of the Century on its youtube page.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrbVZ1nfWkk

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Unread post by maliejandra » Wed May 03, 2017 6:32 am

They're showing it at Cinevent. You should come out!

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Unread post by Silas » Sun May 07, 2017 10:38 am

If Criterion is posting a clip from the restored Battle of the Century... how likely is it that they will be releasing it on Blu-ray? And maybe with other L&H silent shorts? They've done a wonderful job with Chaplin and Lloyd. Sounds like a perfect match to me.

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Unread post by Tboneator64 » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:35 pm

Silas wrote:If Criterion is posting a clip from the restored Battle of the Century... how likely is it that they will be releasing it on Blu-ray? And maybe with other L&H silent shorts? They've done a wonderful job with Chaplin and Lloyd. Sounds like a perfect match to me.
It's far and away the most promising sign that we've seen of a possible home video release, thus far! I'd sure love to be able to retire the heavily reconstructed versions of THE BATTLE OF THE CENTURY (1927) with the much closer to complete version, as no doubt, would many other Laurel & Hardy aficionados! Hard to believe it's already been 2 years since the announcement of the complete 16mm BOTC Reel 2's discovery!

Hopefully, if/when this does get released, it'll be to both DVD and Blu-ray formats! :D

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Unread post by MartyMar » Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:25 am

LouieD wrote:Patience. It took over 85 years to find the second reel.
I hope it doesn't take another 80 years lol. I don't have that long left! :lol:

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Unread post by vitaphone » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:53 am

I hope if it does get released they use the wonderful, original authentic sounding score created by Vince Giordano for the MOMA screenings in 2016. The work is already done.

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Unread post by bigshot » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:16 am

A friend of mine told me there was still some of BotC missing... something in the setup in the first reel. Is that right?

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Unread post by Thad Komorowski » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:42 am

The first reel is still missing the final scene in which Eugene Pallette sells Stan and Ollie the insurance policy. For the SabuCat/UCLA restoration, we utilized surviving stills and title recreations (by David Gerstein) to make up for the missing footage. We also corrected a stretch of footage that was out of frame in the second reel. The embedded Criterion clip—which has had no work done on it—is not from our version.

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Unread post by Donald Sosin » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:46 pm

It's on YouTube if you want to see it....



I am doing a score with a small band for theatrical release...more about that soon.
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Unread post by Thad Komorowski » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:03 pm

As others will doubtlessly point out, that above link is what survived of Battle until the recent discovery and restoration.

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Unread post by CoffeeDan » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:26 am

Little Caesar wrote:I have no idea if this portends a home video release of any sort, but Criterion has posted a clip of the rediscovered second reel of The Battle of the Century on its youtube page.
I wouldn't get too excited. The clip accompanies Imogen Sara Smith's article "Lost and Found Cinema" in the Current section of the Criterion website, showing excerpts of the films discovered and rediscovered at the Library of Congress's "Mostly Lost" festival. A significant portion of the article deals with the discovery of the second reel of BATTLE OF THE CENTURY.

This doesn't look like something that Criterion would release under its own label, but -- you never know . . .

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Unread post by BenModel » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:55 am

In the meantime, I recommend trying to get a showing of the film in your local arts cinema. I've done a couple this year and I'm sure Donald has as well, so it's definitely possible. There is a 35mm print (UCLA, I believe), and there is a DCP from Lobster that has this and a few other shorts on it. Box office and screenings will help convince a distributor to put this out.

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Unread post by Thad Komorowski » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:41 am

Jeff Joseph/SabuCat Productions also offers a DCP of Battle, fully restored and tinted. He also offers an assortment of fully-restored L&H sound shorts. And more coming in the new year!

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Unread post by Tommy Stathes » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:38 pm

MartyMar wrote:
LouieD wrote:Patience. It took over 85 years to find the second reel.
I hope it doesn't take another 80 years lol. I don't have that long left! :lol:
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BenModel wrote:…and it's under copyright.
Good point. Being under copyright may be good news though. Instead of a public domain release we may eventually be treated to a licensed 2k mastered collection of early Laurel & Hardy films on BD with rediscovered and restored Battle of the Century as centerpiece. There should be enough collector interest in a well promoted release of this stature to warrant it.
Well, 2022 isn't *too* far off! :)
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