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More Universal Silents!

Unread post by precode » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:35 pm

Hi, Everyone,

As most of you know, Universal has committed to preserving/restoring ten more silent features. No titles have been selected yet, but a friend of mine there said that if I wanted to solicit suggestions from "the experts" (Hey, he means us!), he'd be glad to pass them along. So okay, folks, here's your chance to play a part: What previously-unpreserved features would you like to see them tackle?

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Unread post by boblipton » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:41 pm

I'd like to see some of the Priscilla Dean stuff that was directed by Tod Browning. And, of course, any Hoot Gibson westerns. But that latter category is a real long shot.

And always: John Ford, John Ford and more John Ford!
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Unread post by Tommie Hicks » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:53 pm

MODERN LOVE (1929) (silent version) with Charley Chase.

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Unread post by boblipton » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:56 pm

Tommie Hicks wrote:MODERN LOVE (1929) (silent version) with Charley Chase.
It's been preserved and if they put it on dvd I'm publicly committed to buying a copy.

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Unread post by ClayKing » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:28 pm

Midnight Sun (1925), although Universal reissued it with an added M&E soundtrack as foreign filler in '31.
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Unread post by Danny Burk » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:56 pm

Does this include films at various archives (with Universal funding the bill, I gather), or only material already at the studio?

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Unread post by JFK » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:51 pm

boblipton wrote:
Tommie Hicks wrote:MODERN LOVE (1929) (silent version) with Charley Chase.
It's been preserved and if they put it on dvd I'm publicly committed to buying a copy.
Bob
Me too

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Unread post by Harold Aherne » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:02 pm

I'll put in a good word for:

The Love Swindle (1918): with Edith Roberts and Emmanuel (E. A.) Turner; directed by John Francis Dillon. A comedy-drama-romance and Roberts' only surviving Universal title (actually released under the Bluebird trademark). Material exists at Les archives du film du CNC in France; completeness unknown.

Sporting Youth (1924): with Reginald Denny and Laura La Plante; directed by Harry A. Pollard. Comedy (perhaps comedy-drama?) with auto-racing theme. UCLA has 16mm print; EYE also has material.

Sporting Life (1925): with Bert Lytell and Marian Nixon; directed by Maurice Tourneur. Melodrama with horse-racing and crime elements. UCLA has 16mm print.

Freedom of the Press (1928): with Lewis Stone and Marceline Day; directed by George Melford. Newspaper drama dealing with political corruption. Cinteteca Nazionale in Rome has material (don't know how complete).

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Unread post by Brooksie » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:59 pm

My probably-unpopular vote would have to go to The Grasp of Greed (1916). Not only an early Lon Chaney and one of Louise Lovely's few surviving features, but it's said by those who have seen it to have some interesting Pre-Code elements. I'm led to believe that Lovely's The Field of Honour (1917) is a better film, but given its lack of banner names, I'm not optimistic that it would be restored.

If we're talking Pre-Codey silents, a vote should also go to Smouldering Fires (1926), especially given that the survival rate of Pauline Frederick features is also pretty atrocious.

And if we're talking about stars with poor survival rates, as we were about Claire Windsor in another thread recently, The Acquittal (1923) deserves a mention too.

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Unread post by R. Cat » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:33 am

If Universal also controls Paramount's back catalogue ...I'm assuming that's the case judging from the recent Criterion release of the Josef Von Sternberg/Marlene Dietrich set... I'd love to see Erich Von Stroheim's The Wedding March restored with an orchestral score and the original technicolor scenes on Blu-ray.

There's a Lon Chaney Universal feature, The Shock from 1923 which still exists in the Film Preservation Associates archive, I believe. I'd also love to see a complete silent 20's era Universal serial restored if any complete chapter plays still exist in Universal's vault. Right now that's what comes to mind. I'm sure I can come up with a few more suggestions with a little more thought.

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Unread post by moviepas » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:03 am

MCA only contracted to buy most of the Talkies pre-1948 with some remaining with Paramount such as Sorry Wrong Number and Miracle of Morgan's Creek. MCA would have no use for Silents in period they bought that library.

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Unread post by Jim Roots » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:06 am

I want the lost Biffle and Shooster silents!

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Unread post by greta de groat » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:42 am

I'd like to second the nomination for Smouldering Fires, a terrific film, though i'm not sure that any better elements survive than what has already made it to video (though i'm not sure it's currently in print). I'd also love to see the Priscilla Dean/Browning films, they were a great team.

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Unread post by pathe16mm » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:54 am

Has THE MERRY-GO-ROUND ever had any kind of preservation? If Show at Home prints survive, those could be scanned and restored quite nicely. Anyone know what happened to the prints David Shepard used for his video edition from the 2000s?

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Unread post by Dean Thompson » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:19 pm

Here's another vote for Smouldering Fires. The pale and jittery videotape I watched many years ago couldn't obscure what an excellent film this is.

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Unread post by buskeat » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:41 pm

Here are some of my suggestions. Hopefully I haven't listed anything that's already restored. I've listed title, year, cast/crew highlight, archive holding and why I'm interested. I'm sure there's plenty more of which I'm unaware but these popped out at me at first glance.

Raffles, the Amateur Cracksman (1925)
directed by King Baggott
Library of Congress
Classic character seen in many film versions already available.

Stella Maris (1925)
starring Mary Philbin
(As a fan of the 1918 Pickford version, I'm really curious about this one.)
UCLA

The Whole Town's Talking (1926)
starring Edward Everett Horton
UCLA
I like the idea of seeing the legendary character actor in an early role.

Blazing Days (1927)
directed by William Wyler
UCLA/Library of Congress
Early Wyler!!

The Shield of Honor (1927)
starring Neil Hamilton
UCLA/Eastman
I'm a sucker for Neil Hamilton movies. I think it's because I was a huge Batman TV series fan as a kid. It amuses me to see him young.

Love Me and the World is Mine (1928)
directed by E.A. duPont and starring Mary Philbin
Cinematheque Royale de Belgique, Danish Film Institute
More from the great German director DuPont can never hurt.

Buck Privates (1928)
Co-starring ZaSu Pitts
Eastman
Any relation to the later A&C film? If so, there's an incentive to restore, right?

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Unread post by FilmGauge » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:18 pm

[quote="moviepas"]MCA only contracted to buy most of the Talkies pre-1948 with some remaining with Paramount such as Sorry Wrong Number and Miracle of Morgan's Creek. MCA would have no use for Silents in period they bought that library.[/quote]
For the record, the 1929 Paramount version of THE FOUR FEATHERS is part of Universal's MCA collection. It does have a music soundtrack on it.

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Unread post by Danny Burk » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:37 pm

FilmGauge wrote:For the record, the 1929 Paramount version of THE FOUR FEATHERS is part of Universal's MCA collection. It does have a music soundtrack on it.
That's a special case. It was included in error because it was mistakenly thought to be a talkie.

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Unread post by silentfilm » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:19 pm

I'll second Smouldering Fires and The Shock.

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And Tod Browning directed Priscilla Dean, Raymond Griffith and Wallace Beery in White Tiger (1923).

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Unread post by Hamilton's Grandson » Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:19 am

If you saw an earlier post this year from me, Clear the Decks 1929 with Reginald Denny has been scanned at LOC as part of their Silent Film Collector's Project (11/17) and I still have all the reels of this film on 16 mm except reel 2, so at least one full copy exists and a nearly complete copy.

As mentioned, the film was on the LOC lost list in 12/16 so it is always nice to see a lost film turn up.

Would like to see Universal (original studio) or an archive get this for potential public release.
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Unread post by radiotelefonia » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:29 am

ALL DOLLED UP, although I ended up doing the restoration and completing the movie myself.

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Unread post by Darren Nemeth » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:31 am

I wouldn't even know where to start. Universal covers so many areas of film production.

Silent serials and newsreels. They were the best at that in the 1910s.
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Unread post by Jim Roots » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:22 am

Jim Roots wrote:I want the lost Biffle and Shooster silents!

Jim
I'm still waiting for someone to riposte, "Jim, there's a reason why these are lost. And also why they were silent!"

Doesn't anyone know how to riposte anymore? Riposte with a rapier wit?

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Unread post by boblipton » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:38 am

Jim Roots wrote:
Jim Roots wrote:I want the lost Biffle and Shooster silents!

Jim
I'm still waiting for someone to riposte, "Jim, there's a reason why these are lost. And also why they were silent!"

Doesn't anyone know how to riposte anymore? Riposte with a rapier wit?

Jim
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Unread post by dr.giraud » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:47 pm

Smoudering Fires
Silks and Saddles (horse racing drama shown in a really nice tinted Show-at-Home at Cinefest early 2000s)

Browning and Dean:
White Tiger
Drifting (seen archive listings for this, don't know what material exists; also features Anna May Wong)

Lorraine of the Lions (Patsy Ruth Miller)
A Hero for a Night (Glenn Tryon, Patsy Ruth Miller)
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Unread post by Jim Roots » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:42 pm

boblipton wrote:
Jim Roots wrote:
Jim Roots wrote:I want the lost Biffle and Shooster silents!

Jim
I'm still waiting for someone to riposte, "Jim, there's a reason why these are lost. And also why they were silent!"

Doesn't anyone know how to riposte anymore? Riposte with a rapier wit?

Jim
A being of gentility does not duel with an unarmed opponent.

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Never mind the rapiers, then!

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Unread post by WaverBoy » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:26 am

The original 1925 theatrical cut of PHANTOM OF THE OPERA.

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Unread post by silentfilm » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:42 am

Skinner's Dress Suit (1926) with Reginald Denny and Laura LaPlante.

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Unread post by Jim Roots » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:13 pm

silentfilm wrote:Skinner's Dress Suit (1926) with Reginald Denny and Laura LaPlante.
This is available from Grapevine in a very good transfer.

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Unread post by rogerskarsten » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:48 am

While they're not features, I would like to put in a vote for THE COLLEGIANS series (1926–29). The episodes are formulaic but fun examples of a genre in which going to college is more about athletics than academics.

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