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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Unread post by Donald Binks » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:57 pm

If you ask me (of course nobody has!), society just moves in circles. If you repress everyone so much - say from Victorian times up to the 1960's - then no doubt all this is going to usher in a less restrictive era. Probably the excesses of the Roman era were followed by severe restrictions. If we all live long enough, we'll once again go into an era where the relative freedoms we now enjoy will be banned once again.
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Unread post by Changsham » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:12 pm

If Mr Weinstein was around in the 30’s or any other time in history his behaviour would have been the same but with less chance of being caught. His money and power would have ensured that. His victims would also have been less likely to come forward as the shame heaped on by the judgemental would have been unbearable.

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Unread post by Thad Komorowski » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:16 pm

The improvement in this era is that sexual predators are now being called out for what they are and get rightfully kicked to the streets. There will still always be those idiots who shame the victims as liars and "attention seekers", but eventually the truth will out. This is also going on in animation at the moment...

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la ... story.html" target="_blank

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Unread post by silentfilm » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:58 am

And director James Tobak is the latest sexual predator to be outed. Some of the stories in this article are really, really bad.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la ... story.html

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Unread post by silentfilm » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:46 pm

And now director David O. Russell, anthough more for verbal and physical abuse rather than sexual harrasment...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/hollywood ... -set-abuse

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Unread post by salus » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:13 pm

....................and now 93 year old George Bush is grabbing asses from his wheelchair, good lord whats this world coming to lol

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Unread post by Jim Roots » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:27 am

salus wrote:....................and now 93 year old George Bush is grabbing asses from his wheelchair, good lord whats this world coming to lol
And calling himself "David Cop-a-feel" for his magic hands.

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Unread post by Lamar » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:02 am

95 year old Janis Paige tells her story in the Hollywood Reporter-
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/h ... ry-1052498" target="_blank" target="_blank
Annabella Sciorra & Darryl Hannah on their Weinstein experiences-
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-des ... -weinstein" target="_blank" target="_blank
Lest we forget there's also Arthur Freed "taking it out" for Shirley Temple while her mom fends off Louis B. Mayer in the next room from Temple's autobiography.

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Unread post by Jim Roots » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:07 am

Gotta wonder what the ghost of Joan Crawford thinks of all this.

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Unread post by Thad Komorowski » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:55 am

Lamar wrote:95 year old Janis Paige tells her story in the Hollywood Reporter-
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/h ... ry-1052498" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank
Annabella Sciorra & Darryl Hannah on their Weinstein experiences-
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-des ... -weinstein" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank
Lest we forget there's also Arthur Freed "taking it out" for Shirley Temple while her mom fends off Louis B. Mayer in the next room from Temple's autobiography.
Funny you mention Mayer...

https://hollywoodessays.com/2017/10/20/ ... weinstein/" target="_blank

Pretty laughable. And sad, really.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Unread post by brianwyn » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:22 am

Here's Barrie Chase talking about her experience with Arthur Freed

http://artsmeme.com/2017/10/12/sexual-h ... unit-boss/

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L B Mayer "Arse Grabbia Artis" ©

Unread post by JFK » Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:03 pm

Thad Komorowski wrote:Funny you mention Mayer...
https://hollywoodessays.com/2017/10/20/ ... weinstein/
Funny is right.
In support of her great Uncle:
1. She offers some quotes from predator David O Selznick's son,
whose LBM defense includes (see below) a Judy Garland anecdote-- which is actually quite damning
and
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2. She apparently forgot to include the Frank Sinatra anecdote (as seen below in a re-telling from a James Kaplan bio).
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It must be awkward bearing a name-droppable surname that is met often with derision.

Correction: I’ve changed “grandson” to “son.”
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Re: L B Mayer "Arse Grabbia Artis" ©

Unread post by Thad Komorowski » Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:25 pm

JFK wrote:must be awkward bearing a name-droppable surname that is met often with derision.
It's just so strange, playing up the fact that you're descended from one of the biggest pricks who ever lived.

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Unread post by Alicia Mayer » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:17 pm

Thanks, lads. I wear the name with pride.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Unread post by vitaphone » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:48 am

As you well should Alicia!

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Unread post by Thad Komorowski » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:15 am

I appreciate correcting the tabloids' screwing up of "where people were and when", like the dumb CLEOPATRA statement, but your article runs counter to most Hollywood history. Maybe he wasn't jerking off onto a girl's leg under a boardroom table so putting him in the modern company of Weinstein rankles you, but the damning stories are there (and it shows how lazy these writers really are that they couldn't check if the story took place while Mayer was actually alive). The Garland stuff is well-established and creepy. So, are all of the people who called Mayer a pervert and his studio a safe haven for perverts liars? That sounds awfully like the rationale some are using to shut up Weinstein's victims (to no avail, thankfully).

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Unread post by wingate » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:01 am

I have read so many biogs of female Metro stars,and almost without fail they have claimed Mayer made a pass at them or worse.So are they all wrong or worse lying?If so why.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Unread post by Thad Komorowski » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:35 pm

Kevin Spacey is the latest outed predator, although he's now used the drama to come out, period.

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41802060" target="_blank

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Unread post by wich2 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:41 pm

Blind hagiography is no balance to well-attested faults.

As Janis Paige proves well in that linked memory, time does not erase uncomfortable facts. (I suppose that L.B. was the only man on the lot unaware that his "Christmas Parties" were legendary bacchanals?)

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Unread post by Thad Komorowski » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:58 am

Man. I thought the few pervs on my wishlist might not have high enough a profile to get outed for their deviancy, but considering the shit that's getting dredged up, my wish may be granted.

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Unread post by linquist » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:48 am

I suppose that no one would be surprised that the issue is now oozing out of the halls of Congress.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... smsnnews11" target="_blank

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Unread post by Rick Lanham » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:10 am

… and at Nickelodeon: https://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2017 ... ckelodeon/" target="_blank
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Unread post by wich2 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:42 am

linquist wrote:I suppose that no one would be surprised that the issue is now oozing out of the halls of Congress.
WHAT?

Not that Esteemed Temple of Lofty Ideals? Home of Wilbur Mills, Ted Kennedy, Bob Packwood, Barney Frank, et al?

I'm shocked, I tell you - SHOCKED!

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Unread post by boblipton » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:11 am

I find all of this credible. Yet I wonder at what stage it becomes a witch hunt.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Unread post by wich2 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:36 am

An individual witch hunt can happen at any time - that only depends on having a witch hunter.

But this is very real, has a long way to go, and I welcome it.

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Unread post by Mike Gebert » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:55 am

So far, it's no one very surprising. A friend of mine was at one time a waitress at a popular brunch place in Chicago called The Bongo Room, and she says Piven was the only person ever banned from the restaurant for relentless nastiness to the staff.
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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Unread post by Donald Binks » Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:58 pm

In some ways the society at large should share in the responsibility, for it is a small to middling cross-section who elevate some of these show business people to 'major celebrity' status. When these people arrive at this level, quite a few of them think they can behave as they will, beholden to no-one. How some of them carry on is often quite amazing. Perhaps if those who become besotted could learn to treat all show people as normal people who go to work like the rest of the population, we may see a return to some sense of normality? It's a hard ask I know.
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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Unread post by wich2 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:11 pm

There's some truth there -

- and yet, the problem isn't just among Celebs.

It's as common, if not moreso, among the powerful in every business.

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