2001: A Space Odyssey gets 50th anniversary 70mm run

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2001: A Space Odyssey gets 50th anniversary 70mm run

Unread post by s.w.a.c. » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:24 pm

Some lucky filmgoers (not me) will get to see Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey in 70mm in those theatres that can screen it. Sadly, our local multiplex scrapped its 70mm gear years ago, and of course is purely digital projection these days.

According to that A.V. Club story, Warner Bros. is calling it "a new, 'unrestored' 70mm print of 2001: A Space Odyssey from the original camera negative: 'This is a true photochemical film recreation. There are no digital tricks, remastered effects, or revisionist edits.' " So no return to its preview length with the 17-odd minutes that Kubrick cut out of it. Screenings start in May, following a debut of this print at Cannes, introduced by 70mm fan Christopher Nolan. It's also running for a week at the Music Box in Chicago (which already owns its own 70mm print).

First time I saw it was as a wee lad, in 70mm in Washington DC in the early '80s, would love to have that experience again.
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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey gets 50th anniversary 70mm run

Unread post by Mike Gebert » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:29 pm

Although Warner is touting this as totally new, I'm pretty sure it's new prints from the same new negative they made a couple of years ago, and which both The Music Box in Chicago and the Egyptian in LA own their own prints of (they don't own them per se but they paid for the print and get to keep it in house). This was talked about with The Music Box's Julian Antos in NitrateVille Radio episode 6.

And yes, it's a great print!
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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey gets 50th anniversary 70mm run

Unread post by Jim Roots » Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:38 am

Too bad they won't also rebuild the Glendale theatre in Toronto where I saw its debut on a Cinerama screen. It would be worth the billion dollars or so the rebuild would cost, just to show the film again.

And then I would go across the street to order the steak and kidney pie at the Steak Pit restaurant. Just like I did 50 years ago, except Dad isn't around to pay the bill this time!

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey gets 50th anniversary 70mm run

Unread post by s.w.a.c. » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:32 pm

Jim Roots wrote:Too bad they won't also rebuild the Glendale theatre in Toronto where I saw its debut on a Cinerama screen. It would be worth the billion dollars or so the rebuild would cost, just to show the film again.
The Glendale looks like it was a lovely theatre. This article about it even mentions the fact that 2001 played there for two years! It was the last theatre in Toronto to have a Cinerama screen, and was demolished in 1974 after screening The Godfather: Part II.
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Unread post by s.w.a.c. » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:33 pm

Mike Gebert wrote:Although Warner is touting this as totally new, I'm pretty sure it's new prints from the same new negative they made a couple of years ago
I had a feeling that would be more the case than "from the original camera negative". Thanks for clearing that up.
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s.w.a.c. wrote:
Jim Roots wrote:Too bad they won't also rebuild the Glendale theatre in Toronto where I saw its debut on a Cinerama screen. It would be worth the billion dollars or so the rebuild would cost, just to show the film again.
The Glendale looks like it was a lovely theatre. This article about it even mentions the fact that 2001 played there for two years! It was the last theatre in Toronto to have a Cinerama screen, and was demolished in 1974 after screening The Godfather: Part II.
It was gorgeous and BIG!!! Seven blocks north of my home (I lived one block below Lawrence Avenue, mentioned in the article), so very easy for us to walk up there for a movie night. The article doesn't mention that in a last-ditch effort to keep it going, its massive Cinerama screen was removed and the theatre was split into two screens, but that didn't work well. It had a marvellous balcony that got in the way of the split.

Some films I saw there in their original run: 2001: A Space Odyssey, Cabaret, A Hard Day's Night, Grand Prix, Bullitt, Cat Ballou, several Elvis and beach movies (c'mon, I was a kid with older siblings who dragged me along!), and I hazily remember one of the other films that were made with Cinerama in mind (Grand Prix as mentioned above, but also something else). Also the Glendale ran the premier of The Graduate, which my parents attended without us kids (it was restricted admission) and which my mother later reported was filthy.

Fittingly enough, I bought my first car off that Nissan lot.

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Unread post by s.w.a.c. » Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:03 pm

I hated when single screen theatres got split in half (or thirds, or worse), but such was the encroaching threat of the multiplex. Our own Halifax Paramount Theatre suffered the same fate (where I saw my first movie after moving back here, Disney's Island at the Top of the World). I wish I'd been to Yonge Street's Uptown Theatre before it got bisected, but at least I got to see a couple of 70mm features (Baraka and Blade Runner) there during visits to Toronto.
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Unread post by Jim Roots » Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:16 pm

s.w.a.c. wrote:I hated when single screen theatres got split in half (or thirds, or worse), but such was the encroaching threat of the multiplex. Our own Halifax Paramount Theatre suffered the same fate (where I saw my first movie after moving back here, Disney's Island at the Top of the World). I wish I'd been to Yonge Street's Uptown Theatre before it got bisected, but at least I got to see a couple of 70mm features (Baraka and Blade Runner) there during visits to Toronto.
Did you get to the Uptown Backstage theatres? You got there by going through a grungy back alley and up a rickety flight of metal stairs, if I recall correctly. Can't remember if there were two or three screens, but the whole place was horrid, especially compared to the Uptown front theatres. Believe it or not, that's where I saw 8 1/2.

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey gets 50th anniversary 70mm run

Unread post by Mike Gebert » Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:22 pm

Two more films c. 1968 are supposed to be getting reissues...

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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey gets 50th anniversary 70mm run

Unread post by s.w.a.c. » Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:02 am

Jim Roots wrote:Did you get to the Uptown Backstage theatres? You got there by going through a grungy back alley and up a rickety flight of metal stairs, if I recall correctly. Can't remember if there were two or three screens, but the whole place was horrid, especially compared to the Uptown front theatres. Believe it or not, that's where I saw 8 1/2.
I believe I went to them during a TIFF in the early '90s, but thankfully have scrubbed most of those memories from my mind.
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Unread post by silentfilm » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:49 am

In my hometown, Richardson, Texas, the Promenade Theater could easily hold nearly nearly a thousand, and it had a second theater added on in the early 1970s that was not as large. In 1984, the big theater was split into four theaters, and the smaller one into two. The four-theater setup was awful and you had to walk down very narrow hallways to get to two of the "new" auditoriums. That setup made the place look like a dump and it quickly went out of business. It was demolished and it is now a grocery store.

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Unread post by lgroebe » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:09 pm

To bring the thread full circle, Bruce, the Promenade in Richardson Texas showed "2001" in 1969. My mother dropped me off there on a Saturday afternoon so I could see it, having read all about it in "Popular Science"(!). I loved the film, until we got to the last sequence with the psychedelic light show and strange bedroom. That part I didn't like at all. Of course, I WAS 12 years old....

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Unread post by HoorayTV » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:11 pm

I contacted my local revival house about this reissue and they managed to get it for 4 dates in August, the only screenings in Michigan. I've heard that there are 4 NEW prints being struck not older prints. I'll put the dates etc in the "talkie screenings" board.

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Unread post by raditechman » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:14 am

I saw 2001 A Space Odyssey on its first release at the London Casino, which had been a Cinerama theater and still had the large curved screen. I saw it there a couple of times and even took a peep into the projection booth. The building is still intact and is now open as a live theater renamed the Prince Edward Theater.
A few years later it had a re-release in 70mm and I again went to see it this time at the Odeon Cinema at London's Marble Arch. That cinema was a single screen and had one of the largest screens around at that time it was also curved as they had played Dimension 60, I think that was its name, anyway it was in 70mm and sitting in the middle seats was very impressive for sound and vision. That cinema was demolished 2 years ago.
I have not found a 70mm copy showing in London yet for 2018
It is playing on April 28th 2018 at London's Royal Festival Hall with a full sized live orchestra and choir. I guess it will be a digital copy.
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Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey gets 50th anniversary 70mm run

Unread post by syd » Wed May 02, 2018 1:11 pm

I think Arthur C. Clarke was off by many decades with his title.
We are still not like the world he and Stanley Kubrick envisioned.
Theirs is human space travel beyond the moon which has not yet
been achieved.

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Unread post by Jim Roots » Wed May 02, 2018 2:34 pm

syd wrote:I think Arthur C. Clarke was off by many decades with his title.
We are still not like the world he and Stanley Kubrick envisioned.
Theirs is human space travel beyond the moon which has not yet
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Not their fault.

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Unread post by bigshot » Thu May 03, 2018 10:47 am

We've found more important things today to focus on rather than space travel... like browsing social media and playing video games.

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Unread post by silentfilm » Thu May 03, 2018 11:36 am

Space travel has proved to be very expensive and much more dangerous than we thought. Un-manned spacecraft have done a great job of exploring the rest of the solar system. It is starting to look like long-term trips in space can have bad effects on the human body too.

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Unread post by fwtep » Thu May 03, 2018 2:00 pm

Christopher Nolan returns Kubrick sci-fi masterpiece '2001: A Space Odyssey' to its original glory

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/mo ... story.html

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Unread post by luciano » Mon May 28, 2018 9:57 pm

Saw it at the Castro. Looked wonderful, never noticed the star child's eyes moving in the final close up!

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Unread post by Jack Theakston » Tue May 29, 2018 4:52 pm

I was unfortunately quite disappointed by the print I saw in New York. Some of the problems I expected, such as the gratuitous dupe shots that are all over the camera negative from years of crack-ups, I could let slide, but the amount of baked-in negative dirt, tears, scratches and general negative fading really diminished the quality of the presentation, which I also understand has gotten worse since the second half of the print now has an emulsion scratch.

I get the "see it in 70mm" spin Nolan is putting on this thing, but Kubrick would have hated how they're going about it.
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Unread post by luciano » Thu May 31, 2018 11:19 pm

I wonder if they used wet gate or not? I've heard some say that wet gate softens the image slightly. Idk if that's true, maybe Nolan opted to pass on in. Questions for Vince Roth I guess.

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Unread post by All Darc » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:29 pm

How is color film duplication today, compared to the late 60's?

I know it's better, but that time they used to make prints from camera negative, and today they make prints from a internegative (made from a interpositive made from camera negative).

With these two extra steps in printing making, is that possible to a restored verion presentation, like for 2001 A Space Odyssey, to look better than in the 60's on theater ?
Ok, let's supose the final print was made in a step contact printer (which ensure more sharpness than a continuous contact printer) and supose the interpositive and the internegative was also made in the best duplication film stocks and best film printers.

Film preservators today talk about how important is to make prints from a internegative, to keep the original negative in good conditions. But if they had that as a rule in the 60's and up to even the 80's, the print quality in theaters would be horrible, since duplication film materials for color film only started to get got real decency in the 90's.

Today it's possible to scan the camera negative in 4K or 8K and direct make a internegative using a high resolution film recorder, using polyester film (resistant for a few hundred runs on film printer). But it's expensive...
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