The Pilgrim 1923

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The Pilgrim 1923

Unread post by drednm » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:17 am

Is there a good version of this Chaplin film on DVD available anywhere for a decent price? The few I see on Amazon are non-US and way too expensive....
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Re: The Pilgrim 1923

Unread post by Kerr Lockhart » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:58 am

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Chaplin-Revue- ... plin+revue

If you are truly an historian, you need region-free Blu-ray.

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Unread post by drednm » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:14 am

Kerr Lockhart wrote:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Chaplin-Revue- ... plin+revue

If you are truly an historian, you need region-free Blu-ray.
Yes, I saw that. No Blu-ray of any region......
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Re: The Pilgrim 1923

Unread post by silentfilm » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:21 pm

It is still under copyright until January 1st, 2019. While it will go Public Domain then, the Chaplin Estate still has the best material on this title.

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Re: The Pilgrim 1923

Unread post by drednm » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:19 pm

silentfilm wrote:It is still under copyright until January 1st, 2019. While it will go Public Domain then, the Chaplin Estate still has the best material on this title.
It's weird. I know I've seen this film and cannot imagine how.... unless it was on TCM years ago.....
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Re: The Pilgrim 1923

Unread post by Danny Burk » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:01 pm

It's part of "The Chaplin Revue", released on the old Image DVD.

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Unread post by radiotelefonia » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:21 pm

drednm wrote:
Kerr Lockhart wrote:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Chaplin-Revue- ... plin+revue

If you are truly an historian, you need region-free Blu-ray.
Yes, I saw that. No Blu-ray of any region......
This film has been pirated throughout the years by video publishers from all around the world. There are versions available in youtube that once they delete them, somebody else is uploading them again.

Legally, it aired on O'Globo years ago and more recently on Telecine Cult, whose signal can be found online. Warner Home Video issued it on DVD several years ago. But I dislike the Chaplin estate version which obviously come from excellent elements but from which they removed original tints since night scenes (announced in an intertitle) look exactly the same like the day scenes that came previously.

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Re: The Pilgrim 1923

Unread post by radiotelefonia » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:25 pm

I have no idea who is this user, but they got the David Shepard DVD and uploaded it changing only the opening title.


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Re: The Pilgrim 1923

Unread post by radiotelefonia » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:28 pm

Posted four years ago in Brazil, this is more interesting since we can see an alternate camera version.


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Re: The Pilgrim 1923

Unread post by drednm » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:22 am

So many Pilgrims..... There's also a note that the TCM version runs 40 minutes vs the 47-minute versions. That must be what I saw.

Interesting to note that IMDb and others list Marion Davies as a member of the congregation. Chaplin filmed in April 1921. While Davies may have been on the West Coast filming scenes for Buried Treasure or Beauty's Worth around that time, most sources, including Chaplin's autobiography don't have them meeting until Davies moved to Hollywood years later.

Chaplin filmed in Los Angeles and Santa Clarita (according to IMDb) while Davies filmed out of Santa Barbara and Point Lobos up by Monterey.

While there is a woman in the congregation (not the choir) that vaguely looks like Davies, the shape of the face is wrong.
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Re: The Pilgrim 1923

Unread post by Rick Lanham » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:05 am

The Pilgrim is currently scheduled to be shown on TCM(US)
on March 19th at 12:45 PM Eastern time.

The next film starts 45 minutes later.

This page has the March schedule although at the top they talk about Feb 2018, 31 days of Oscar:
http://www.tcm.com/schedule/monthly.htm ... 2018-03-01" target="_blank

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Re: The Pilgrim 1923

Unread post by radiotelefonia » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:56 pm

Rick Lanham wrote:The Pilgrim is currently scheduled to be shown on TCM(US)
on March 19th at 12:45 PM Eastern time.

The next film starts 45 minutes later.

This page has the March schedule although at the top they talk about Feb 2018, 31 days of Oscar:
http://www.tcm.com/schedule/monthly.htm ... 2018-03-01" target="_blank" target="_blank

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Why do I want to watch this film on TCM? Their presentation it is not going to be better nor more interesting than the above videos. And we are still deprived of a First National version.

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Re: The Pilgrim 1923

Unread post by Rick Lanham » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:00 pm

radiotelefonia wrote:
Why do I want to watch this film on TCM? Their presentation it is not going to be better nor more interesting than the above videos. And we are still deprived of a First National version.
I guess your crystal ball is better than mine.

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Re: The Pilgrim 1923

Unread post by Smari1989 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:13 pm

I've said it before, but I REALLY wish the print of SHOULDER ARMS (from 1919) which is presumably stored at the Danish Film Institute could be released on DVD somehow... by far the most "original" print of that film known to exist. I'll let you know if I win the lottery. :roll:

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Re: The Pilgrim 1923

Unread post by Metaldams » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:31 pm

https://www.amazon.com/Charlie-Chaplin- ... t+national" target="_blank" target="_blank

I feel incredibly lucky to have bought this version for much less than the $160 price tag it goes for as I type this. Became a Chaplin fan in the early 2000's and bought this while it was in print. My understanding is this is the best version of the First Nationals with the originally intended frames per second. I know somebody will correct me if I'm wrong. LOL

Anyway, the David and Goliath scene, no matter how many times I see it, gives me a huge belly laugh. That shot of a dumbfounded Mack Swain staring at a smiling and guilty Chaplin kills me.
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