Looks like women are making good headway into film preservation

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Looks like women are making good headway into film preservation

Unread post by Daniel D. Teoli Jr. » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:12 am

Association of Moving Image Archivists

http://www.amiaconference.net/meet-the-navigators/

Only problem is women are very prejudicial when it comes to archival work and can make poor archivists when they inject their female thinking into preservation.

Here is an example:

Notice: Contains Nazi / white supremacist photo that may offend someone. If so, don't click on link, go immediately to your safe room.

https://danieldteolijrarchivalcollectio ... rchivists/

Now, they do have good women archivists that are not so prejudicial. The Kinsey Institute has some. And a few more here or there that I've run into. If you have a women that is an artist, especially underground artist, she may be less prejudicial. I have lots of experience dealing with women archivists and curators. They seem to make up the bulk of this area of work.

But Jeeeesus, look what our world has turned into...isn't it sad?

From the section on Gender Pronouns from the AMIA site:

This year our registration information includes gender pronouns that will be included on name badges at the conference. AMIA is committed to creating a diverse and inclusive environment – we not only want people to be comfortable being themselves, we strive to build a culture where we don’t make assumptions or pass judgment on each other. Having pronouns on our badges – or if a person chooses to tell you their pronouns – is simply letting you know how you can refer to colleagues, without you having to make any assumptions.

Why add pronouns to the conference badge?

Typically, society has taught us to make automatic assumptions about what pronouns to use for someone. If a person’s gender expression (the way they appear in terms of gender) seems to be male, we’d likely use he/him/his when talking about that person; if a person’s appearance seems to be female, we’d be likely to use she/her/hers. However, gender is not always that simple. Sometimes a person’s gender identity (the way the person identifies internally in terms of their gender) doesn’t align with their gender expression (the way they look). In addition, not everyone identifies strictly as male or female.

So when a person includes their gender pronouns on a nametag or when introducing themselves, etc., they are simply taking the guesswork away for you! It’s their way of saying “when you refer to me using pronouns (opposed to by my name), these are the pronouns I’d like for you to use.”

Why is are pronouns important?

Everyone has a gender identity, and most of us have specific pronouns we’d like people to use when we are being referred to. Some might ask: Isn’t it typically obvious what pronouns to use for a person? (For instance, if someone has a ‘female’ name and looks ‘female,’ then can’t one assume that person identifies as female and would want to be referred to with she/her/hers pronouns?)

Most of us are privileged in that when someone guesses our pronouns, they’ll get them right. However, that’s not the case for everyone. Oftentimes this might be because a person is gender non-conforming (where they don’t clearly conform to ‘traditional’ male or female standards) or are openly transgender (which might also leave some unsure which pronouns to use). With that said, if someone decides to tell you their pronouns, it doesn’t automatically mean they are transgender or gender non-conforming. It’s basically a way of saying “rather than operating in a system where we assume each other’s gender and automatically attach pronouns to each other, I’ll instead let you know what pronouns work best for me.” Isn’t life easier when we’re not always having to assume things about each other?

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Re: Looks like women are making good headway into film preservation

Unread post by oldposterho » Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:46 pm

Daniel D. Teoli Jr. wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:12 am
Only problem is women are very prejudicial when it comes to archival work and can make poor archivists when they inject their female thinking into preservation.
Assuming this is not a troll, and I mean this as respectfully as possible, but, dude, WTF????

How does wanting clear gender identifiers on a name tag make women (presuming they're the ones requesting it) "poor archivists"? That's a leap in logic I'm just not seeing and would love to have clarified, presuming this thread is appropriate for Nitrateville.

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Unread post by boblipton » Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:21 pm

I presume everyone injects his or her opinions into every aspect of life. So saying that women inject their female thinking into preservation is... well, I don’t think there ‘s a polite description of my thoughts on that assertion, injecting, as I do, my old-fashioned, slapstick-loving, Jewish, male thinking into preservation and everything else.

If Daniel means that women tend to prize certain types of movies that he thinks should be of less moment, well, tough. If he means that a Bell curve of the entire female population will skew less competent at preservation than men, well, I suppose that’s a possibility, depending on how you define the criteria. If he means that no woman will be as competent as any man at the skills that are used in preservation, I consider that statement to be so unlikely as to be false without examination. Women, like men, vary all over the shop.

However, to choose any woman and declare she is less fitted to be a preservationist than any man, without examination of the two individuals is very bad thinking.

I am not a preservationist, except when it comes to writing a check for the occasional project. When it comes to that, I am very skillful. However, I am unaware of any aspect of the work in which my penis is involved.

I agree with Daniel that the sort of hyper-correct thinking that goes into the name tags is a neurosis of our current era, but that’s a matter of my opinions, not a statement of objective right and wrong.

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Unread post by silentfilm » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:09 pm

And you are assuming that only women were responsible for this policy. Most policies change when they cause problems for the people that they affect. Obviously at least one archivist does not fit into traditional sexual identities, so the policy was changed.

And I'm sure that every archivist is prejudicial in some ways as to what type of films that that interest them. There are a limited amount of resources, time, and money, so not everything can be preserved and restored. I'm glad that there are champions of silent slapstick comedy who restore films worldwide at many archives. But not everybody loves slapstick, so I'm glad that there are other archivists that are interested in musical films, sports films, educational films, advertising films, television shows, newsreels, ethnic films and many other genres. And their gender doesn't really matter.

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Unread post by MaryGH » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:39 pm

LOL!

The funniest thing about the OP being, I'm a woman trying to see a number of silent films originally targeted towards American youth preserved, restored and digitized. I prefer the term family-oriented silent films yet that does not seem to detract from Tom Tyler's early career in silent film. And his appeal was for both genders, boys who wanted to grow up to be like him, girls who wanted to grow up and marry a man like him.

I needed that laugh, had a rather long Saturday. :)
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Unread post by Thad Komorowski » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:35 pm

And this isn't the only place this guy has posted this misogynistic/transphobic rant. Seriously, what the hell is your problem?

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Unread post by AntiPontifex » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:45 pm

The initial post is misogynistic garbage. Admin: you know what to do.

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Unread post by Mike Gebert » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:59 pm

Yes: allow people to argue otherwise.
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Unread post by Thad Komorowski » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:01 am

He's posted this at the 16mmfilmtalk board, too, and he's getting a more actively volatile reception there. Like here, he hasn't responded to the outrage there either. Sometimes a troll is just a troll, and it's good to have those cards on the table for the record. Rather than delete it, I'd encourage this thread just be locked, especially given this forum's zero-tolerance policy on politics.

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Unread post by boblipton » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:16 am

I don't believe him a troll as I understand the term; he doesn't show up for the purpose of annoying people and that alone. I think like me and you, he has opinions and expresses them, However, like many, (including me!), he feels frustrated by the latest redefinition of something or other, large segments of rationality shut down and he vomits forth something that makes people go "Dude! WTF?" or whatever the hepcats say these days.

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Unread post by oldposterho » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:44 am

Honestly, it struck me like one of those psychotic breaks you occasionally run across on the intertubes. Somebody having a really bad day who then immortalizes it forever by hitting the "send" button instead of "delete," leaving it there for posterity and infinite regret. I'm sure we all have ideas or momentary rages that others would find repellent, luckily for most of the time we have the good sense or balanced brain chemistry to keep them to ourselves.

Like noted philosopher Norman Bates so eloquently put it, "We all go a little mad sometimes..."

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Unread post by Mike Gebert » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:42 am

Mr. Teoli is the one who is interested in collecting vintage pornography, as I recall, which may have something to do with his interactions with female archival staff not always being the most welcoming from his point of view.

Personally, I found the mostly bemused reactions to his out-of-left-field rant to speak well for NitrateVillains. It didn't seem to need to be shut down—it was oddball local color. However, we have reached the point of meta-commentary, so rather than let it be a distraction from important things like Murphy beds, I'm going to declare all said about this that needs to be said. If Mr. Teoli had wanted to comment further, he basically had a week.
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