When stag films were illegal how were they sold?

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When stag films were illegal how were they sold?

Unread post by Daniel D. Teoli Jr. » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:30 am

I talked with one knowledgable collector that was not of that era, but offered his guesstimate for stag film sales outlets as:

under the counter at camera stores
barber shops
men's fraternal lodges

I was thinking they sold them at news stands, but had not considered any of the above. The collector also mentioned an interesting occupation of that era. Doing stag shows for hire. Something like the itinerant 'magic lantern' operator of their time.

Any other ideas of stag films from the 1920's - 1950's were sold?

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Unread post by oldposterho » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:47 am

Organized crime had an interest in creating and distributing stag films.

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Unread post by wich2 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:15 am

Also by mail order, "in plain paper wrapper," as advertised in the back of the porn mags that The Mob also had a hand in.

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Unread post by Mike Gebert » Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:07 am

In Wichita, there were two camera shops, run by two brothers. Perhaps they had once been in business together. By the time I was interested in making super 8 films, they were pretty firmly not. One was in a mall in the nicer, eastern side of town. This was where you went for serious camera equipment, and to have someone to talk to about how to use it. This brother was sort of like Mr. Rogers or your high school science teacher.

The other brother, who was less Mr. Rogers than Dean Martin (or perhaps Jerry Lester), was downtown, in an area going to seed, and the rumor was that you could not only get certain kinds of film from him, but that he had a hand in filming such things from time to time.

I was 16-- what would I know about whether that was true or not? But it seemed plausible...
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Unread post by Donald Binks » Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:03 pm

I remember seeing a rather tame, by today's standards, blue film at a buck's party way back in the 1960's. It was on 8mm and looked as though someone had photographed it rather hurriedly in the middle of the bush from the back of a ute. It was frightful. It featured some poor woman of dubious vintage rather clumsily disrobing. As she neared the conclusion the cries went up from the audience - "Put it back on! Put it back on!".

Funny the silly things we remember.
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Unread post by Daniel D. Teoli Jr. » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:24 pm

OK...I finally heard from the in-between agent for a 92 yo man that was selling off the his massive film collection. He said his non-porn films were being donated to UCLA's film archive and he was selling off the porn as UCLA must not have wanted them.

As far as the porn, I was able to buy about 75 reels of the 101 films he was liquidating. But the important part of the story was the elderly man was an original buyer from back in the 1930's and 1940's and there are not many original film collectors of that era alive to interview.

Here is the information the in-between wrote me on how the collector acquired the illegal (at the time) porn films:

He bought most of these films from a Camera Store in Tijuana, "Ramone Ramiez's Camera Store" on the main drag and you had to ask for them. They would have a sheet of paper with the titles and you would choose from that list. Then they would go in the back room and put your package together with no titles on the can or sleeve in case the border police would check your bags. He said on average, he never paid more then 15.00 each in the late 1930 and 1940's for a 400 foot reel.

(Info was condensed for brevity)

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Unread post by wich2 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:44 am

Mike Gebert wrote:The other brother, who was less Mr. Rogers than Dean Martin (or perhaps Jerry Lester), was downtown, in an area going to seed, and the rumor was that you could not only get certain kinds of film from him, but that he had a hand in filming such things from time to time.
(Did you ever notice if he wore black socks?)

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Unread post by wich2 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:47 am

Donald Binks wrote:a buck's party ... from the back of a ute
Sir Donald, I always welcome your posts - but sometimes, I wish they were in English!

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Unread post by wich2 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:49 am

Daniel D. Teoli Jr. wrote:15.00 each in the late 1930 and 1940's for a 400 foot reel
That was REAL money then. (Hence, the Mob connection.)

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Unread post by Donald Binks » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:11 pm

wich2 wrote:
Donald Binks wrote:a buck's party ... from the back of a ute
Sir Donald, I always welcome your posts - but sometimes, I wish they were in English!

:wink:
For those unfortunate enough to not be completely au fait with English as she is spoke in the land of Oz:-

Buck's night = a party to celebrate a poor unfortunate's last days of bachelorhood. Attended by males only.
Ute = short for "utility". In America known as a "pick-up"

(please leave your money on top of the fridge on your way out for this translation service)
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