Bird Kissing. It's not just for Lillian Gish.

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Re: Bird Kissing. It's not just for Lillian Gish.

Unread post by Ed Watz » Fri May 04, 2012 1:32 pm

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Ed Watz wrote: The only human-animal species smooching in silents more grotesque than that is Larry Semon sucking lips with Snooky (the Chimp, not the Jersey Shore chick) in THE STAR BOARDER (1919).
You think ???? You must have missed this, shown at The Giornate in it's Sacile days, late at night. I've left the description untranslated for the faint of heart.......but babelfish is your friend.... http://www.cinetecadelfriuli.org/gcm/ed ... hp?ID=4939
OH.MY.GOD! I'd blanked that one from my mind! Ew!!
Wow, gives new meaning to the Marx Brothers phrase, "Why a duck?" doesn't it!

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Unread post by odinthor » Thu May 17, 2012 2:58 pm

Does May McAvoy perhaps actually kiss the errant dove at some point of Ben-Hur's near- meet cute between her and Ramon Novarro? She's certainly very fond of it . . .
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Unread post by Frederica » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:11 pm

New York Daily Mirror, Dec 30, 1916, p. 25. Dale Fuller kisses a raven. As if normal bird kissing wasn't icky enough.
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odinthor wrote:Does May McAvoy perhaps actually kiss the errant dove at some point of Ben-Hur's near- meet cute between her and Ramon Novarro? She's certainly very fond of it . . .
Yes, she does kiss it, and more than once.

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Some bird-kissing on a cover of Film Fun.

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Ow! My Eyes! Dale Fuller, bird kissing, AND in color! Aiyee!
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rudyfan wrote:Ow! My Eyes! Dale Fuller, bird kissing, AND in color! Aiyee!
It's the same photo, only in color! OMG, the horror!
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Unread post by greta de groat » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:25 am

Just spotted Lois Moran kissing a bird in Feu Mathias Pascal.

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Photo for sale on ebay, Bebe Daniels kissing a dove.
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missdupont wrote:Photo for sale on ebay, Bebe Daniels kissing a dove.
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That one is super creepy.
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Unread post by Christopher Jacobs » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:49 pm

In LAILA (1929), the film I watched for "Watch That Movie Night," there's no bird-kissing but Mona Mårtensson does play around with and then kiss a reindeer!

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Christopher Jacobs wrote:In LAILA (1929), the film I watched for "Watch That Movie Night," there's no bird-kissing but Mona Mårtensson does play around with and then kiss a reindeer!
Not quite as exotic, but I'm working on The Fall of Babylon (the excerpt from Intolerance), and Constance Talmadge not only nuzzles and kisses a goat after milking it, she gives it a playful bite on the ear. Which the goat doesn't seem to appreciate. Its handler removes it quite rapidly from any further attentions.
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Unread post by Rick Lanham » Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:56 am

The thread's list so far:

1909 - TENDER HEARTS - James Kirkwood and Mary Pickford
1910s - Bebe Daniels photo on eBay.
1913 - THE LAST DAYS OF POMPEII - Fernanda Negri Pouget and bird; also sorceress and lizard
1915 - BIRTH OF A NATION - Lillian Gish
1915 - A HUMAN HAND’S TRIUMPH - Mae Busch
1916 - INTOLERANCE/THE FALL OF BABYLON - Constance Talmadge and goat
1916 - New York Times - Dale Fuller & a raven
1916 - SNOW WHITE - Marguerite Clark
1918 - STELLA MARIS - Mary Pickford
1924 - GREED - Gibson Gowland
1925 - BEN-HUR - May McAvoy
1925 (circa) - Le Canard
1925 - Liberty magazine - Betty Bronson
1926 - FEU MATHIAS PASCAL - Lois Moran
1926 - TIME FLIES (short) - Lupino Lane
1928 - SHOOTING STARS - Annette Benson
1929 - LAILA - Mona Mårtensson and a reindeer
1930s - Thelma Todd posed with bird
1937 - SNOW WHITE - during “One Song”
1962 - BIRDMAN OF ALCATRAZ - Burt Lancaster
1964 - MARY POPPINS - Jane Darwell

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Unread post by Rico » Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:49 am

From- Greed-directed by Erich Von Stroheim.

The bird kissing scene precedes the one where McTeague throws the guy down a steep cliff for hurting his bird. After the cliff scene the title card reads something like, 'and this is what McTeague was like'. An indication of the kind of dynamite that lay under the central character of this incredible film.
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Unread post by Frederica » Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:21 pm

Rick Lanham wrote:The thread's list so far:

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El Brendel in "You Never Know Women", 1926, kisses Bozo the Goose.

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Unread post by Rodney » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:48 pm

Got all excited during the bird kissing extravaganza in Snow White (1916) at the Castro yesterday, but I see that's already been documented. Good work, squad!
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Unread post by greta de groat » Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:00 pm

Ok, i just checked When a Man Loves, and Dolores Costello does briefly kiss a dove.


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Unread post by Rick Lanham » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:49 pm

Here's a link to an alt.movies.silent discussion about bird-kissing:

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Unread post by Derwiddian » Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:46 pm

Next question for scholarship: How many bird-kissing episodes resulted in avian to human transmission of the flu virus? Can we blame the 50-100 million deaths in the Great Influenza pandemic of 1918 on Mary Pickford and Stella Maris?

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Unread post by BankofAmericasSweetheart » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:27 am

Maybe I'm of a younger generation that just doesn't understand old-fashioned values but why did people kiss birds again? Is it supposed to be romantic or adorable? I wouldn't put my mouth let alone hand anywhere near a wild bird considering the nasty diseases they carry. Why anyone would kiss a bird in a photograph or motion picture is beyond me, they might as well kiss a skunk!

BTW, that cover of "Film Fun" magazine of that black crow/raven thing kissing that woman is hilarious! Looks like a scene from Alfred Hitchcock's "The Birds" right before the bird rips apart that woman's face.
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BankofAmericasSweetheart wrote:Maybe I'm of a younger generation that just doesn't understand old-fashioned values but why did people kiss birds again? Is it supposed to be romantic or adorable? I wouldn't put my mouth let alone hand anywhere near a wild bird considering the nasty diseases they carry. Why anyone would kiss a bird in a photograph or motion picture is beyond me, they might as well kiss a skunk!

BTW, that cover of "Film Fun" magazine of that black crow/raven thing kissing that woman is hilarious! Looks like a scene from Alfred Hitchcock's "The Birds" right before the bird rips apart that woman's face.
It's Victorian shorthand for virginal innocence, as was cuddling a kitten or something equally fluffy. I'm with you. YUCK.
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Frederica wrote:
BankofAmericasSweetheart wrote:Maybe I'm of a younger generation that just doesn't understand old-fashioned values but why did people kiss birds again? Is it supposed to be romantic or adorable? I wouldn't put my mouth let alone hand anywhere near a wild bird considering the nasty diseases they carry. Why anyone would kiss a bird in a photograph or motion picture is beyond me, they might as well kiss a skunk!

BTW, that cover of "Film Fun" magazine of that black crow/raven thing kissing that woman is hilarious! Looks like a scene from Alfred Hitchcock's "The Birds" right before the bird rips apart that woman's face.
It's Victorian shorthand for virginal innocence, as was cuddling a kitten or something equally fluffy. I'm with you. YUCK.
At least Lillian wasn't French-kissing the damn bird. As far as we know.

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Frederica wrote: It's Victorian shorthand for virginal innocence, as was cuddling a kitten or something equally fluffy. I'm with you. YUCK.
At least Lillian wasn't French-kissing the damn bird. As far as we know.

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Unread post by greta de groat » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:07 pm

Pigeons french kiss each other, so the possibility is there, i suppose. Ew.

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Unread post by Jim Roots » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:10 am

The Extraordinary Adventures of Mr. West In the Land of the Bolsheviks opens with the lead actor kissing not one, but two doves.

And you thought Soviet silent films had no romance in them...

P.S. Has anyone else noticed the American flag used in the early scenes of this film has at least 20 stripes?

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Unread post by odinthor » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:54 am

Ed Watz wrote:No one mentioned Gibson Gowland smothering a sparrow with his lips in BIG closeup from GREED yet?

The only human-animal species smooching in silents more grotesque than that is Larry Semon sucking lips with Snooky (the Chimp, not the Jersey Shore chick) in THE STAR BOARDER (1919).

We get Charles K. Gerrard smooching with an unusually unpleasant chimp in Reginald Denny's amusing California Straight Ahead of 1925. But don't blame Charles. He thought it was Gertrude Olmstead.
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Unread post by emanuelharmon » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:48 am

so cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuute!i wanna kiss that birdie too. :)
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