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The Library of Congress Paper Print Collection

Unread post by Nerves » Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:05 pm

Would someone please tell me if there's an entry for a film in the book Motion Pictures From The Library of Congress Paper Print Collection 1894-1912 does that mean the film is extant, at least on paper? Each entry has a numeral representing feet (?) of footage. Is this the length of the entire film or just the amount of footage held in the collection? For example: the film A Private Supper at Hellar's (1902) is listed in the book but I cannot find anything on loc.gov regarding this film.

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Unread post by MaryGH » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:18 pm

This is where it would be listed, so far as I can see:

https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/searchRes ... archType=7

paper print collection>American Mutoscope & Biograph

You can contact them and ask about this particular film....
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Unread post by Nerves » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:23 pm

Thanks Mary. The link you provided leads to a system error page so I can't tell how you narrowed the search results to the paper print collection, etc.

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Re: The Library of Congress Paper Print Collection

Unread post by silentfilm » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:58 pm

All of the surviving paper prints have been transferred to 16mm, and some to 35mm. This one is listed in Early Motion Pictures: The Paper Print Collection in the Library of Congress. You should be able to purchase a copy of this film from the LoC.

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Unread post by Nerves » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:42 pm

Thanks Bruce. I still can't find anything on loc.gov regarding that film but I will inquire.

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Unread post by MaryGH » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:38 pm

Nerves wrote:Thanks Mary. The link you provided leads to a system error page so I can't tell how you narrowed the search results to the paper print collection, etc.

Whoops, try this:

https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search?se ... Pointer=0&

Also

https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/searchRes ... rtBy=TITLE
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Unread post by MaryGH » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:42 pm

Quick question about this book:

https://books.google.com/books?id=1xTUO ... &q&f=false

Has it ever been updated since it's 1967 printing? That's fifty years ago (yep the year I was born)
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Unread post by Nerves » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:22 pm

Thanks again Mary. Both those links lead me to a system error page. I assume you're entering a search term here: https://catalog.loc.gov/" target="_blank
Perhaps if you tell me what you put in the search box I will find the page you're trying to link to.
I believe the book referenced above by Bruce is a more recent (1985) edition of the 1967 book: https://www.amazon.com/Early-motion-pic ... 0844404632" target="_blank

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Unread post by MaryGH » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:12 pm

Nerves wrote:Thanks again Mary. Both those links lead me to a system error page. I assume you're entering a search term here: https://catalog.loc.gov/" target="_blank" target="_blank
Perhaps if you tell me what you put in the search box I will find the page you're trying to link to.
I believe the book referenced above by Bruce is a more recent (1985) edition of the 1967 book: https://www.amazon.com/Early-motion-pic ... 0844404632" target="_blank" target="_blank
That is weird, it worked for me before - looks like it is caught in a loop.

Go to:

https://catalog.loc.gov/

enter

Paper print collection American Mutoscope & Biograph Co. in the search box at the top

It will give you a list of 154 titles for American Mutoscope & Biograph Co.

Sort by Title.

I did not see "A Private Supper at Hellar's" (1902) in there, I recommend the "Ask a librarian" link at the bottom.

Do you have a hard copy of this book? I found the film name through a Google search and it brought me to a number of pages of the book in Google books. I read the Introduction which I found very intriguing.

For now I will assume this film title appeared in the 1985 reprint of the book. Good luck, hope you get a positive response from the LOC.
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Unread post by Nerves » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:28 pm

OK. That worked, though I think if there's an online entry for the film it would show up in search results just by searching the title of the film. I also found an entry for A Private Supper at Hellar's in the 1967 edition via google books as I do not own a copy and as Bruce mentioned, it is in the 1985 book (or edition as the case may be). So apparently the online catalogue isn't complete. I tried the 'Ask the Librarian' link and it leads to a page of gobbledygook so I sent a message to the copyright dept. and asked that it be redirected to the proper department.

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Unread post by Nerves » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:35 am

I heard back from Josie Walters-Johnston at the Library of Congress. A Private Supper at Hellar's is available for duplication. It hasn't been digitized yet so the approximate cost would be $370. Films that have already been digitized are less expensive. She also said that the online catalogue is not comprehensive. The majority of the films listed in Early motion pictures: The paper print collection in the Library of Congress (1985) and Motion Pictures from the Library of Congress Paper Print Collection, 1894-1912 (1967) are available for duplication. The later edition of the paper print catalog is more useful as it provides call numbers for the films in the collection. Also, all the films are in the public domain so there are no restrictions on how the films can be used. They only request the the Library of Congress be cited as the source of the material.

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Re: The Library of Congress Paper Print Collection

Unread post by silentfilm » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:56 pm

MaryGH wrote:Quick question about this book:

https://books.google.com/books?id=1xTUO ... &q&f=false

Has it ever been updated since it's 1967 printing? That's fifty years ago (yep the year I was born)
While the text descriptions of the films did not change, the book was updated in 1985 with photos from some films and a complete index in the back of actors, directors and film topics.

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Re: The Library of Congress Paper Print Collection

Unread post by kaleidoscopeworld » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:40 am

Not an answer to your question, but in case anyone is interested: the 1985 book Early motion pictures: the paper print collection in the Library of Congress is available in full at the Hathitrust website, though you must be a member to download the PDF.

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Unread post by Nerves » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:54 am

Thanks kaleidoscopeworld! Wish I'd waited one more day before ordering a copy!

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